FBI raids the office of Trump lawyer Michael Cohen

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  1. AFM

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    Who was Manafort working for then ??
     
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    In 2016 he was Trump's campaign manager.
     
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    Trump said the allegations against Manafort involved crimes committed years ago. Most of the counts in the indictment detail Manafort’s money laundering efforts dating back to 2006. But that deception involving foreign bank accounts and misleading lenders, prosecutors said, extended until as late as October 2016.

    In addition, the indictment said for many years Manafort had hidden his control over multiple foreign accounts in places such as Cyprus and the United Kingdom. That deception continued as late as October 2016.
     
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    And when did the "crimes" occur ?? It was not when he was working for Trump.
     
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    Come'on man - do your homework.
     
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    Hmmm. guess you can't read. OK.
     
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    If so, then there would just be a fine involved. Right? Not like this is unheard of in american politics.
     
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    Money laundering, bank fraud, tax evasion and improper form filling, all involving offshore funds received from ousted Ukrainian ruler Yanukvych who is said to be a puppet of Putin -about 14 years ago. The same (more or less) applies to Carter Page and Rick Gates. The three of them worked together at one time or another during the past decades as lobbyists for Yanukovych before he was ousted 4 years ago.
     
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    Who was Manafort working for ??

    Page and Gates have nothing to do with Ukraine.
     
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    Manafort allegedly worked for the Ukrainian government, for Yanukovych, he, Gates and Page worked in Manafort's lobbying firms which dissolved and were reconstituted at different times as partners joined or left. Their work included memoranda and presentations relating to Yanukovych's predecessor in office (Yulia Tymoshenko) whom he incarcerated in 2010.
     
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    All this happened before Trump even announced running for President. How did the Podesta Group tie into all this ??


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    http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/357962-Manafort-Podesta-Group-highlight-DC-swamp-culture
     
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    Indeed, and I've noted this many times. As I said before, the Manafort/Page/Gates Ukrainian connection is the closest thing to a "smoking gun" Mueller has proffered, and it is woefully inadequate. I think Mueller in this instance is "barking up the wrong tree" and this is evident simply considering the chronology, Yanukovych was chased into exile in March 2014, Trump tossed his hat into the ring in June a year later, and nobody thought he had any chance of securing the nomination, let alone get elected president.

    I can't understand how an intemperate, crass, misogynistic, ethnophobic racist, was able to develop an impenetrable backchannel to Putin which has withstood the penetrative scrutiny of seventeen intelligence agencies with billions of dollars in their budgets focused so intently on Russia, and after two years of exhaustive analysis, thousands of hours of interrogations and the examination of literally tons of tax records, financial and accounting documents, transactions of all sorts and all the paperwork that goes with the highly regulated casino, resort, hotel and real-estate business, plus foreign lobbying -cannot offer a shred of evidence Trump colluded with Russia to defeat Hillary.

    I realize the left is very disappointed Hillary was not installed to perpetuate Obama's policies, I know they had all those polls and surveys showing she was certain to win, but it seems the citizenry didn't want "four more years"! Additionally, Hillary evidently had a lot of baggage. Her unsecured server and those classified documents during her rather unsuccessful term as Secretary of State, all that "pay to play" stuff with her Foundation, plus all that stuff revealed from the leaked emails of Podesta, the DNC and that Weiner laptop. Maybe she could have won had all this not been revealed, but I sure am glad she didn't, just imagine the "kompromat" Putin would have over her if his agents actually were behind all those leaks.

    Lefties need to overcome their grief and move on beyond this effort to "resist" Trump. They need to sell the rest of us an attractive program that takes into account we aren't all equally thrilled at the prospect of doing away with fossil fuels, using intergendered restrooms, embracing alternative life-style choices, fostering undocumented immigration and regulating businesses out of existence.
     
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    GPS Fusion, founded by investigative journalists to provide strategic intelligence and due diligence services to corporations, was hired by Law firm Perkins Coie to produce “opposition research” for Hillary’s use against Trump during the campaign and infamously retained the services of retired British spy Christopher Steele to produce his famous dossier on Trump’s Russian dealings. They would know what the President has in his closet (or at least what Steele says is in there).
    Hard to see how evidence that 20-30 years ago Trump courted Russian investors who may have laundered their ill-gotten gains in his real estate development projects would show collusion with Putin to defeat Hillary. Whether Mueller can find conclusive evidence Trump knowingly abetted criminal activity 20-30 years ago by securing these Russian investments is pure speculation, but this is the best a company founded by well-reputed journalists who specialize in investigating corruption and who commissioned the strongest evidence against Trump can come up with now.
     
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    Point remains, you asked me to prove colluding is a crime.
    And so I did.
     
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    You did not. Collusion is not a crime.
     
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    That's kind of how blackmail works isn't it?
    Once Manafort got cut off he switched to bank fraud while working (without pay) for Trump.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ump-aides-paul-manafort-rick-gates/364943002/
    But he kept working on the Russians to get back in their good graces.
    https://www.vox.com/2018/3/29/17177...ik-manafort-mueller-trump-russia-intelligence
     
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    I sourced that "crimes by colluding" so that proves colluding is a crime according to them.
     
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    Once again proving you can't read.
     
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    I'm sorry, that wasn't very nice.
    Why do you keep asking for proof when you can't read it?
    Are you a bot that just keeps replying with the same BS?
     
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    Collusion is like conspiracy, an agreement between at least two to deceive or cheat another. Such an agreement involves "an exchange of promises" that one party will do something if the other does something else. In the matter at hand it is claimed Trump colluded with Russia to defeat Hillary in the election. Russia is said to have 'hacked' into Hillary's, the DNC's, Podesta's and other emails or servers searching for 'dirt' to discredit Hillary, found such 'dirt' and disclosed it to Hillary's detriment, that Hillary lost the elections due to Russian disclosures of said 'dirt'. In exchange, Trump is said to have offered to lift sanctions imposed on Russia for their intervention in Ukraine and annexation of Crimea, that the lack of reference to these in his announced party platform is presumed to be evidence of a bargained-for exchange.

    All of this is only theoretically possible; we have no record of such an agreement, inconclusive evidence Russians were involved in any hacking, none that they disclosed anything and Trump has actually increased sanctions against Russia.
     
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    Can’t make this up ^^
     
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    There’s no proof of anything in your links.
     
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    I sourced it. So I didn't make it up :)
     
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    Did you also forget what you posted?
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    The links I have posted have both dates and the crimes he has been charged with.
    So quick! Point to another banana. :)
     

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