FDA clears lab-grown meat for human consumption

Discussion in 'Animal Welfare' started by JCS, Nov 18, 2022.

  1. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yep. Buying as often as one can from local farms/ranches (particularly small-scale, organic ones) benefits one's health (eg, food is fresher & in-season), keeps local farms/ranches in business, hurts big business (including import/export businesses), and helps preserve our natural resources. It's a win-win strategy.
     
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    and we do not know the horrible conditions this lab created meat will be in or what ingredients will be used to make it, or what the nutrient profile of it will be

    and if not labeled as lab grown meat, we won't even know what we are eating

    I agree, all this bad food has led to population growth, of an unhealthier society of people though, that strain resources
     
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    Vegetarians are nice people to meat.
     
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    Good. I hate salmon. Get back to nature's way! RIBEYES! T-BONES! and PRIME RIB!!
     
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    I'm not out to save the world. All I want is as many big, thick, rare ribeyes, "loaded" baked potatoes, and pitchers of dark beer as I can get.
     
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    To each his own. May you find all the ribeyes, baked potatoes, and dark beer your heart desires. :knifefork:
     
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    Thank you. Now that I'm retired, my kids are grown and successful, and I have the time... I'm trying as hard as I can.
     
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    Nature intended for us to eat our red meat RAW... its better cooked... rare... not raw.
     
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    Our brains started getting bigger when we learnt to cook meat as we were able to absorb more protein.
    Basically, if it were not for chefs like myself we'd still be living in caves.
    You're welcome.
     
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    There's no solid evidence to support cooked meat as the reason for increased brain size or even intelligence. It's still remains speculation & a controversial topic.

    One should keep in mind also that protein digestion doesn't occur in the mouth, but in the stomach & intestinal system. So it makes no difference whether we're able to chew our meat or not. Eg, look at Inuits/Eskimos when they eat raw meat. They cut chunks of it with their knife and shovel it into their mouth with hardly any chewing whatsoever. The same lack of chewing can be observed with carnivores as well. Their teeth are designed only for pulling & tearing.

    With that said, we don't even know the origins of bi-pedal hominins, let alone how anatomically modern humans arose and co-existed with neanderthals, possibly even during the time of H. erectus (which had larger brains than any of its predecessors)----perhaps even earlier.

    Further, neanderthals had larger cranial capacities (brains) than modern humans, and were also much stronger & robust. (Modern humans do have an unusually large brain, however, for their frame size.) Why are the brains of anatomically modern humans smaller than neanderthal's if the former almost always cooked their meats and eventually supplanted neanderthals as the dominant species?

    If I were to venture an educated guess, I'd say the most likely reason for the relatively sudden rise of hominins among the early primates, the different species of hominins, and later the increased intelligence & social advancement seen among the genus Homo is DNA meddling (hybridization) by an alien race. Perhaps a silly guess to some, but it is logical and also supported (not proven) by the available evidence.

    Recent research even suggests that brain, anatomy, and social development in H. erectus advanced even with no change in meat consumption. So we can't logically conclude that cooking meat would have any effect either.

    Consumption of Meat Did Not Influence Development of the Human Brain
    JAN 6, 2022 - Meat consumption did not foster human brain development, according to a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Researchers analyzed archaeological data from sites in eastern Africa, finding that meat consumption did not increase over time and suggests other reasons for increased anatomical size and behavioral changes in early Homo erectus. These findings contradict the myth that meat consumption led to anatomical changes in early humans.
    https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nu...eat-did-not-influence-development-human-brain

    One thing that might, however, influence brain development/intelligence (not size) might be the need to invent ways of capturing/hunting prey. So it wouldn't be meat consumption per se, but rather methods of meat acquisition that is at play here. In light of this idea, the invention of tools & techniques in the acquisition of adequate food (meat & plants), as well as primal medicines, shelter & clothing could help facilitate brain development & intelligence. The later development of agriculture & animal husbandry might perhaps be the greatest facilitator of brain development/intelligence due to its socio-economic impact.
    Chefs are artists who create unique flavors in food. Anyone can cook meat.

    Note also that Inuits & Eskimos lived almost exclusively on raw meat & blubber. They had to be pretty smart to be able to satisfy all their needs in such harsh conditions without benefit of modern tools/technology.

    Their intelligence & high dietary fat content would coincide with the following study:

    Fat, Not Meat, May Have Led to Bigger Hominin Brains
    The prevailing view, supported by a confluence of fossil evidence from sites in Ethiopia, is that the emergence of flaked tool use and meat consumption led to the cerebral expansion that kickstarted human evolution more than 2 million years ago. Thompson and her colleagues disagree: Rather than using sharpened stones to hunt and scrape meat from animals, they suggest, earlier hominins may have first bashed bones to harvest fatty nutrients from marrow and brains.
    Marrow and brains [...] are locked inside bones and stay fresh longer. These highly nutritional parts are also a precursor to the fatty acids involved with brain and eye development. And more easily than flesh-meat, bones could be carried away from carcass sites, safe from predators.

    https://www.sapiens.org/biology/brain-evolution-fat/

    I've long felt that it's the fat in meat products, not the flesh/protein, that is the most nutritious and essential. People eat way too much animal protein----a little of it goes a long way. But you can't really eat too much fat. In traditional Eastern Asian diets they will toss small pieces of fatty meat into the wok with tons of veggies, and eat it with some carbs (rice) or noodles. This provides flavor, some protein, and plenty of fat (which is further rendered in the heat). Cow milk is unhealthful for human consumption, but butter & cream are very healthful. Eggs are full of healthful fats too. Sardines are great too, not only because of the fat & fatty acids, but because you're eating the entire fish (plus they're less contaminated with mercury than bigger fish). Tallow, lard, duck fat, coconut, and palm oil are best for cooking. Olive oil is great in salads and drizzled over cooked foods.

    Another study to consider regarding ancestral diets:

    Raw Deal - SAPIENS
    A new study suggests that changes to the head and teeth seen in our early human ancestors could have occurred before cooking—thanks to the invention of chopping raw meat. The consumption of a food resembling tartare—finely chopped meat served raw—may have led to big changes in our ancestors’ skull features long before they began cooking.
    https://www.sapiens.org/biology/early-humans-and-raw-meat/
     
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    Thank you for responding in such detail to what was basically a joke based on a contentious theory with just enough merit to make it a reasonably good guess.
    Another theory is that it wasn't the cooking of the meat which led to increased brain size but the act of sharing a kill around a fire at night which led to the development of language which necessitated increased intelligence from our distant ancestors.
     
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    That theory is too simplistic and ignores a few obvious items.

    Being a very social/gregarious genus (Homo), a behavior that will be common among this genus will include any number of social activities which can all contribute to brain development/intelligence. Eg, they would sit around a fire even without cooking----simply for warmth/comfort, safety, companionship, or relaxation. They would also sleep together in families or groups, cooperate in acquiring food/water/shelter/clothing/etc. or to fight off predators or other tribes, share tool-making skills, educate one another, help one another in raising & interacting with children, and so on.

    So I don't think it necessary to focus so much on diet or dietary activities to explain the evolution of brain development/intelligence.
     
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    Well yes, it's far more likely it's a combination of all of the above than any single cause.
     
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    Plus, the brain is composed mostly of fat anyway, although neuro-transmitters/peptides will be proteins. But fats & fatty acids I would say are more crucial to healthy brain development.

    So eat healthy fats, stay active/exercise, engage in hobbies/creative activities, play games/make puzzles, interact with family/friends/others, have pets, have fun/reduce stress, and meditate/relax. These will all contribute to a healthy brain.
     
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    I think it likely that future generations will look back at the eating of animals instead of lab grown meat with disgust. I think that's a paradigm shift that could even happen in the lifetime of some reading this.
     
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    I've thought that for 38 years.
    All that time ago all there was for vegetarians was awful TVP. Textured Vegetable Protein. A tasteless dehydrated ''meat alternative'' with the texture of plasterboard.
    The youth of today don't know they're born.
     
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    I'm not into salmon. I'm more a rare ribeye and beer guy. As far as fish is concerned, I'm not a big fan. I do love shellfish though, especially soft shell crabs and lobster.
     
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    I can imagine you wearing this T-shirt. :D

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    Nah, that's a charcoal grill. I use gas. And my sexual mores aren't that confusing.
     
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    Doesn't it depend on how it tastes? It's not like we get off on the fact that some animal died to make dinner possible - hopefully.

    I suspect initially it'll taste worse, but eventually it'll improve and taste as good. Texture might be a challenge.

    I don't know if the FDA should put warnings on things unless there is actual evidence of potential harm. Otherwise, it misleads people into thinking it's harmful when it's not. In another post you suggested that these foods be given new names to distinguish them - that might be the best solution to make it transparent but not in a misleading way.
     
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    nutritional profile is important too

    we have a right to know what we are eating
     

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