Federal documents: more than 300,000 likely to die if restrictions are lifted

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  1. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you are so misinformed its scary people like you walk around spreading your misinformation to others
    educate your self stop being a threat

    What this means for a vaccine
    The mutations likely won’t interfere with the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine.

    In fact, the slow and mild nature of the mutations is good news for a vaccine.

    “The virus is still so similar now to the initial sequence that there isn’t really much reason to think the differences will matter in terms of vaccine,” Neuman said.

    Vaccines, in general, tend to target an early version of the virus.


    The bottom line
    The new coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 has already mutated a handful of times, which has many people wondering whether the mutations could lead to a more severe, deadlier disease.

    According to experts, the new mutations are extremely similar to the original virus that appeared in Wuhan, China, and don’t seem to be any more aggressive.

    Because the mutations are so similar, a vaccine would likely protect people against not only the original strain but new mutations as well.

    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-mutation-and-covid-19#The-bottom-line
     
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  2. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you are so misinformed its scary people like you walk around spreading your misinformation to others
    educate your self stop being a threat

    What this means for a vaccine
    The mutations likely won’t interfere with the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine.

    In fact, the slow and mild nature of the mutations is good news for a vaccine.

    “The virus is still so similar now to the initial sequence that there isn’t really much reason to think the differences will matter in terms of vaccine,” Neuman said.

    Vaccines, in general, tend to target an early version of the virus.


    The bottom line
    The new coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 has already mutated a handful of times, which has many people wondering whether the mutations could lead to a more severe, deadlier disease.

    According to experts, the new mutations are extremely similar to the original virus that appeared in Wuhan, China, and don’t seem to be any more aggressive.

    Because the mutations are so similar, a vaccine would likely protect people against not only the original strain but new mutations as well.

    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-mutation-and-covid-19#The-bottom-line
     
  3. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the subject matter is preventing deaths correct? so what difference does it make what causes the death a life saved is a life saved
     
  4. Derideo_Te

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    :roflol:

    Thank you for CONFIRMING that you lack the requisite subject matter knowledge!

    Have a nice day!
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you said this

    Fast mutating viruses like Corona render vaccines ineffective.

    wrong

    In fact, the slow and mild nature of the mutations is good news for a vaccine.


    its not fast mutating

    you said this

    There is NO immunity because this virus MUTATES!

    wrong again

    According to experts, the new mutations are extremely similar to the original virus that appeared in Wuhan, China, and don’t seem to be any more aggressive.

    Because the mutations are so similar, a vaccine would likely protect people against not only the original strain but new mutations as well.

    so even when the virus mutates the vaccine will stay effective


    do i need to continue to prove how misinformed you are
     
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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rack-coronavirus-strains-mutation/5080571002/

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    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200422/Coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-strains.aspx

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20060160v2

    https://www.ft.com/content/d34097f0-e2c3-41a7-b3c7-9c1eb0f9df92
     
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    That certainly sounds noble. Like a cat lady collecting 100s of cats rather than let them be strays. But I think that too leads to catastrophe.
    How many will die of alcoholism, suicide born of depression and more because our economy has been shut down and fear and hopelessness are the rule? More than one? I'd think so.
    We live because of a functioning economy. It provides us the goods and services that keep us alive.
    I do not know what the right answers are in response to this virus. Individually, this thing has actually been fantastic for me financially. But I care about my society enough to not want to spout simple virtuous sounding platitudes. And I know sometimes there is no right answer. There are costs, benefits, consequences intended and not.
     
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    so tell me where does it dispute anything i provided
    where does it say its mutates fast? where does it say its mutation is severe that a vaccine will become ineffective after the mutation ?
     
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    Thank you for confirming AGAIN that you lack the requisite subject matter knowledge!

    Have a nice day!
     
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    And it only takes one. Typically the one who doesn't wipe down IS the one who gets infected and will of course spread that infection
     
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    then dont go to a gym as a matter of fact just sit at home 24/7 and let the rest of us get own with thier lives
     
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    Yup.
     
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    "There is NO immunity because this virus MUTATES!"

    Then we just gotta keep on living as if the coronavirus is like the flu virus that mutates, and accept the mutating coronavirus mounting body count each year, year after year, decade after decade. Because people are not going to stay in the bunker and stop living. No matter how afraid an individual might be, they're not going to stay cooped up.
     
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    If EVERYONE except essential personal remained in strict lockdown for a month the virus would die off!

    Why is that concept so difficult to comprehend?
     
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    Correct - if there's no immunity, quarantine is useless.
     
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    This is the question that needs to be asked of every Trump administration supporter, red-state governor, and Republican member of Congress.

    How many Americans are you willing to kill to get the economy back on track? More than 300k? More than 500k?
     
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    There's nothing to freak out about. I'm still living my life like normal (as much as the mass hypochondria is allowing me to, anyway). I don't excessively wash my hands, I don't sanitize everything, I don't wear gloves, I don't wear masks, I still go out in public, etc...

    There is nothing to fear.
     
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    Asymptomatic essential personnel would do a restart/redux. Run, hide, dive in the bunker, but everybody is going to get the coronavirus for many decades..
     
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    Don't go out? Anywhere forever?

    Because you can't tough it out for a couple more week

    Gee thanks
     
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    Asymptomatic people are HOW this things spreads. Keep up
     
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    Right. Essential or non-essential has nothing to do with spread. It spreads.
     
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    Gore says we are all in “Grave Danger” because of Trumps reckless! (See CNN)

    Of course we should all be dead now from melted ice caps according to ole Al so I guess we might just be OK thru this!


    https://electroverse.net/ten-years-...e-would-be-completely-ice-free-in-five-years/

    Guy might wanna keep his pie hole shut and stop looking like a fool.

    https://nsidc.org/news/inthenews/ar...-predicted-it-would-disappear-networks-ignore

    Apparently the ice caps missed the Gore memo...


    And yet here is the left again using models to determine policy instead of common sense.

    That is why you keep failing lefties...
     
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    Feed for livestock isn't a frill, it costs a lot of money. The government doesn't want ranchers and farmers to have to kill off their herds (which will take years to rebuild) and their chickens (which are easier to bring back, but immediate losses are huge, too). So people must work in the slaughterhouses as always, so the rest of the people downstream in the food supply chain can eat.

    3rd rock from the sun is a hard place.
     
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    So the government doesn't want ranchers killing their livestock (their eventual destination anyway) so we kill hundreds of meat packers because, after all, if they're dead we don't have to pay them and they're replaceable anyway.

    Sorry bucky. I'm having trouble pulling sympathy for a guy with 20 million dollars worth of land, 10 million in livestock, and getting millions welfare from the feds because of Trump's tariffs, who wants to sacrifice the lives of people making barely more than minimum so he won't take a loss this quarter.
     
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    You can eat the beef if it walks on the truck and is unloaded, processed, and shipped at Sioux City and Sioux Falls (bless them dead Indians and the US Cavalry), rather than letting it rot in the field. It probably wouldn't have gotten so bad that people would eat dead coronavirus meat packers, but it could have.
     
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