Federal Judge Strikes Down 21 y/o age limit on carrying a handgun

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    we should obliterate clearly unconstitutional laws such as the 1934 NFA and the 1968 GCA. we should also try-for treason-politicians who continue to pass unconstitutional laws and allow citizens to sue state officials-under 42 USC 1983, when those officials impose unconstitutional state laws such as magazine bans
     
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    Hi again, Turtledude.

    Where, pray tell, did I state that Congress had the authority to enact the restriction on certain semi-automatic large magazine guns?

    I've searched my posts, but no joy.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
     
  3. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    great-you will join us demanding that crap like the 1934 NFA get 86'd and Senile Joe's attempt to reinstate the bullshit Clinton Gun ban fail
     
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    The other option is to violate the constitution.
    Is that better?
    If so - why?
     
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    Like Heller, McDonald and Caetano?
     
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    Hi for the last time on this particular thread, Turtledude.

    You post amusing comments. Keep up the good work.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
     
  7. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But are you versed in the legal definition of the militia according to US Code?

    [​IMG]Cornell Law SchoolSearch Cornell
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    2. U.S. Code
    3. Title 10
    4. Subtitle A
    5. PART I
    6. CHAPTER 12
    7. § 246

    10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes
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    The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard."

    So, are you of the opinion that "all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States" need to be more well regulated? If so, how? Also if so, should that regulation also be applied to the women, the elderly and the disabled who are also effectively allowed to be the militia by virtue of a lack of enforcement of exclusion, or should the exclusion be enforced along with more regulation?
     
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    Lol how do you think? Who do you think sold those traps?

    I've literally had a client get his door knocked on. They're not quite kicking them down, but they showed up and said we know you've got one, we know when you bought it, give it up or we're coming back with a warrant and swat team.
     
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    Hmmm.
    Solvent traps aren't illegal.
     
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    suppressors not built or bought through the NFA sure as **** are and the ads are written in such a way that they're clearly not buying it for a race car.

    I've literally seen a facebook ad hawking them and the page owner was in the comments answering if the trap would fit on a 5.56mm pipe or a 7.62mm pipe or a 9mm pipe etc.
     
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    True....
    But that does not make them any more illegal than any other item you can misuse for another purpose.
    You know, like shoestring or rubber bands used to create a bump stock.
     
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    I've literally seen a facebook ad hawking them and the page owner was in the comments answering if the trap would fit on a 5.56mm pipe or a 7.62mm pipe or a 9mm pipe etc

    ^ missed that part I think.

    That's intent. You shouldn't buy **** like that online, but many people do.
     
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    Hi again.

    I assume that members of the national guard are well regulated.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
     
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    No, I didn't, - I've seen the ads as well.
    The fact remains - these solvent traps are legal; the fact they can be used illegally doesn't change this.
     
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    Again we're talking past each other.

    The people getting snapped up are the regards (to use the reddit term that is popular these days) who answer those ads with those questions.
    You shouldn't be buying this **** online, its dumb. That doesn't mean you can't buy any. That means don't be dumb.

    They don't have a proper legal right to restrict it, but go ahead and see how much fun you have being the test case.
     
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    That doesnt address the question at all, as the NG is but a very tiny portion of the militia. Or are you suggesting all able bodied males 17-45 should be conscripted?
     
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    Hi again, modernpaladin.

    Your assumptions are amusing. Got any more?

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Plenty. Feel free to actually address the question or otherwise clarify your position so assumptions arent necessary.

    ...or are you still just here for reasons other than debate?
     
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    Hi again, modernpaladin.

    Now we're getting somewhere.

    I'm here and on other similar forums in order to learn. I care nothing for winning or losing a debate. That gains me nothing worth keeping. A new insight or new knowledge, though, is another matter.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So what have you learned from this thread?
     
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    Hi, modernpaladin.

    Truth be known, precious little. Hope, however, is surprisingly hard to kill.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    You're not reading the statute correctly.

    The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
    ^ All men of a certain age that are not barred from service for reasons of criminality or insanity (IE they could qualify legally for the reserves if they cared to)
    AND
    of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard."
    all females actually in the guard.

    So your assumption about them all being members of the national guard is incorrect.

    And they remain well regulated (ie in functioning order)
     
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    Hi again, Reality.

    If they are not well-regulated, then the intent of the Second Amendment is being violated, nu?

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
     
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    Since the only body that has the say in what "well regulated" means wrote and passed the law you just read, the militia is de jure and de facto "well regulated.
     
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