"Fetus in a tank" counter-question for "pro-lifers"--

if the tank scenario doesnt have the same right as a human female in regards to the decision making then its apples and oranges. Thats why I asked yhe question.

 

Really depends on whether the comparison is that (1) the woman is like the tank or that (2) the tank is like the woman.

 

The tank analogy might apply in the case of rape, if the woman was imprisoned against her will for several weeks (preventing her from taking immediate action to rectify the problem), but that scenario is quite a stretch.

 

How is saying women who have unwanted pregnancies probably should have abortions misogynistic? Frankly, unless a woman is raped, it's pretty stupid of her to have an unwanted pregnancy.

 

And that's why I asked.....what about women who are the victim of rape? i.e. no choice in whether they become pregnant.

Do you make an exception for abortion for rape victims? Or do you consider them like the "tank" and they have no rights to stop a pregnancy that they did NOT decide to participate in creating?

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You've already said in your first response that you DO consider women to be nothing but "baby-making machines" with no more rights than the "gestation tank"

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So you make no allowances for contraception that fails?

 

Ya, it's misogynistic to think that every woman who had an unplanned pregnancy is stupid.

 

If one is going to have procreational-style sex (penis in vagina) there is always a chance of a pregnancy. It's stupid to think anything else.

 

If one doesn't want an unwanted pregnancy one should not participate in penis-in-vagina sex. That's how they're MADE!!! Misogyny has nothing do do with it whatsoever. But anyone questioning a woman's relative intelligence is called a misogynist so as to shut down any intelligent conversation. I get it.

 

If the tank gets raped then by default it has no part in the decision making. I wasnt comparing it to rape ,just asking for clarification.

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If the tank gets raped then by default it has no part in the decision making. I wasnt comparing it to rape ,just asking for clarification.

 

No, making a blanket statement about women being stupid if they have an unplanned pregnancy IS misogyny.... your squirming around saying misogyny has nothing to do with not having sex is diverting, squirming, mis-directing....


The fact that you can't admit that not all women who have unwanted pregnancies are stupid is misogynistic...

 

Please explain how you are going to give the woman an anesthetic without it also numbing the fetus.

Or are you proposing that women undergoing 3rd trimester abortions be denied pain killers now?

Who appointed you as judge and jury on what is and isn't valid and where did you obtain your medical training and license?

 

So really, you blame women for having sex if they're not willing to get accidentally pregnant and stay that way?

 

Why do you keep avoiding my question, when I've answered yours every way possible....

do you approve of an exception for abortion if the woman was raped? Yes or No?

 

You mean the tank not the woman right?

 

HOW would a tank be raped????????

 

Because the creation of life in that circumstance was not a joint decision. Keep in mind, I am a personal responsibility advocate, so forcing a rape victim to keep a child when she made no such decision to get pregnant wouldn't align with my perspective.

Already stated.

 

Bunk. Women don't decide to get pregnant, they either do or don't.

I see the fetus is not your primary concern, just punishing women for having consensual sex...





Why do you think fetuses from consensual sex have less rights than fetuses resulting from rape?


....and no, you haven't stated why.....

But I know now that you just want to punish women for having consensual sex , you don't really care about the fetus.

 

I am not blaming anyone, I am merely stating fact. Penis-in-vagina sex is the way pregnancies come about. One either has to be severely mentally challenged or just plain stupid to deny it.

 

I made no blanket statement about 'women.'

Your translation of what I said is wrong. My assertion is that it is stupid to think one can't get pregnant by having penis-in-vagina sex. I never said women that do so are monolithically 'stupid.' Intelligent people can do stupid things...Mainly because they are brainwashed to think nothing bad will happen with risky behavior.

Your responses are part of the reason why this debate never goes anywhere because anyone (especially a male) questioning anything about women regarding sex are summarily bashed with words like 'misogynistic'...etc.

 

....and they refuse to see their misogynistic posts because they believe that if they believe something it must be true despite the facts......and you're still squirming and it's pretty boring....

 

Dodged again, try again...

do you approve of an exception for abortion if the woman was raped? Yes or No?

 

Now you've changed your debate point. We weren't talking about how reproduction works.

You said that women were "stupid" if they engaged in sex without accepting the risk of accidental pregnancy.

At some point, you'll likely resort to that classic MALE "pro-life" line of...."Women want abortion, because they want to play, without having to pay"

which is both misogynistic and ODDLY paints the risk of pregnancy, even pregnancy itself, as a "payment" or even "punishment" that women must endure if they are sexually active.

 

Hmm I guess the same way it would be impregnated only against its will. Its not my hypothetical thread. Im going to guess a male tank would put his tank penis in it somewhere??

 

I didn't dodge your topic is a hypothetical tank so I was trying to stay on topic. To answer your off topic yes I definitely do but only within a certain timeframe

 

No, you're still spinning what I said.