Forum becoming more right-wing?

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  1. Shangrila

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    Who makes it interesting? Members. Start thought provoking threads. :)

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    See, we aim to please.
     
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    good for you
     
  3. Nightmare515

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    Thank you for being understanding. This post does a very good job at explaining the situation at hand.

    As we've been saying for days, the staff has an equal amount of members on both sides of the fence claiming unfairness towards them. Both sides are sticking to their guns with most people claiming that they are right while the other side is wrong. Many Conservatives swear up and down that we purposefully censor them and are biased towards them. Many Liberals and Progressives swear up and down that we censor them and are biased towards them. This thread is a perfect example of that.

    Neither side is going to listen to the other side. Both want the title of being the victim. When things like this happen we staff members find ourselves in a difficult situation. We believe we moderate the forum straight down the middle in an unbiased fashion yet both sides of the spectrum claim we don't. So we can't really even change anything because both sides claim we are out to get them anyway.

    The question is simple yet very complex. The right says we cheat them, the left says we cheat them. WHICH ONE OF THEM is correct? The left will swear they are correct and the right will swear they are correct. When we get into these types of situations its better to have an outsider looking in to make the call. Who could be the unbiased outsiders looking in? Moderators....that's why they are moderators. We already have those.

    We could fire the entire current PF Staff and replace us all with brand new moderators and admins that nobody on this forum has ever heard of before and I 100% guarantee you that within a week that new staff would still get messages claiming this forum is biased towards either the left or the right. This left vs right tug of war has been going on for years here and I'm not joking when we say every week we get somebody on one side of the other claiming bias.

    The main reason why as of right now the biased towards the Left is such a popular topic is because we allowed this thread to stay open even though most of it is one huge rule violation. So everyone can see the thread about how the Left feels cheated when we usually delete these types of threads and tell members to talk to us privately about these things. Which in itself is a bit ironic if you ask me. Every time someone brings up a thread like this we close it. This time the Left made a thread like this (the ones who feel cheated) and instead of closing it like we normally do we allow it to stay open to hear them out. Isn't that just a bit ironic.

    And to top it all off this thread has only been open for a few days and we are already receiving PM's from Conservative members asking why we are allowing the Left to have a virtual town hall meeting against the Staff in the open forum like this when the last time a right wing member said something about the staff they got a warning and their posts deleted and their thread closed.

    Their concerns are 100% valid and 100% correct. The last time a member tried this (who happened to be Conservative) we shut the thread down. Them being Conservative had nothing to do with it but its the fact that we normally close these things down immediately. So in that case they are 100% correct.

    Let me clarify what I mean here. I am not saying that we let the Left complain and we tell the Right they can't. This thread in itself is a rarity and it's something that we don't normally allow, it just so happened to be started by a Progressive member. Them being progressive has absolutely no bearing on us leaving this thread open, it's just coincidence. We left this open to see what members have to say because, as we can see after a few days, more people tend to talk when there is an audience around them. For some reason many members have an issue with talking to the Staff in private yet will talk in public. So in order to gain insight we are allowing it to remain public. We aren't purposefully letting the Left have at it while telling the Right they can't. It just happened to work out like that by accident right now because the last time a public thread about the staff was published it so happened to be by a right wing member and we shut it down like we do all of the other ones.

    These threads are normally shut down because they tend to turn into a huge flamewar full of insults and uncivilized posts very quickly. They aren't closed because the staff believes ourselves to be "above" listening to our members or anything like that. But unfortunately many members get heated very quickly. This thread is an exception because we are sort of stretching the rules for this special occasion to see just how members actually feel. We debated shutting it down from the beginning but opted to just let it go. Which was good because while weeding through the multiple disrespectful posts we have gained some very detailed insight from this thread and are actively discussing a variety of topics among ourselves as staff that were brought up in here.
     
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    This is what the cons on here would like you to believe. I can only speak for myself, but the recent supreme court decisions on same sex marriage and Obamacare show a decidedly liberal trend. The younger generation of voters is more liberal in spirit and with their votes than ever before. The right is shackled to religious crazies, and will continue to lose out on all aspects of social policy.

    As far as the number of right wing posters/content on here, don't confuse this tiny cross section of posters with the general populace. The majority of the right wing threads are not substantive, and therefore not worthy of reply. It's clear that many just make a post to grind an axe versus initiate a debate. When the bottom line of a right wing thread is just more crying about Obama, there's not much you can do to change that point of view. A lot of righties are religious as well, which excludes them from rational, reasonable thinking.
     
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    <<< MODERATOR EDIT: QUOTE AND REPLY REMOVED >>>

    I don't think you need to worry. At all.
     
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    Sure, just make sure you don't offend anybody staffers sympathize with. :)

    Not from this one, you're not, because I don't identify with that at all. Just give me the latitude to give as good as I get and staff will hardly ever get any complaints from me.
     
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    In what ways do you feel the staff treats you or someone else unfairly? Do you have any specific examples that we can reference?
     
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    True it is a handful of righties that have gotten banned, mostly from the new influx the site got a few months ago, seems like some cannot take a simple warning by the Mods to behave, and I bet they also wonder why the site the came from failed.

    No one has silenced the right, in fact the yapping has gotten even more frequent, maybe when the right can stop yapping and start talking real discussions can become more common here again. As if that will be happening.:roll:

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    Me thinks your first statement cancels out your claim in the second.
     
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    It's in the Conspiracy Theory forum...It meets the Rule 11 guidelines based on it being a conspiracy theory because it does establish the basis for respectful debate, even though it is ridiculous but so are the majority of the threads in that forum. It wouldn't fly in Current Events or Political Opinions.

    Although the thread is pretty much "way out there" to the point of being almost ridiculous it's still technically a conspiracy theory.

    Browse that forum awhile there is all sorts of whacky stuff in there. The Russians training birds to fly to America and form pictures of Putin in the sky, Obama being teleported to Mars every evening after dinner, The moon being a huge hologram placed in the sky like the bat symbol....

    That's why we have a conspiracy theory forum and don't allow that stuff in the other forums.
     
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    As I understand the facts, a former CIA operative by the name of Andrew Basagio, claims that Barack Obama was teleported to Mars (as a teen) and while there was almost eaten by a martian plesiosaur. This was under a DARPA project by the name of Pegasus. Basagio himself a time traveler was photograped shortly after Lincoln's Gettysburg address and has evidence he was there..
     
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    No one votes on SCOTUS decisions and Obamacare was passed before anyone could read it. Those are NOT examples of national political trends.

    Ya I see the same thing with left wing posters on here.....not substantive and not really worthy of reply, axe grinding (especially when it comes to Gays, race and feminism). I have seen probably hundreds of left wing threads whining about Bush as well. A lot of lefties are Atheists as well which excludes them from having a truly moral base.
     
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    PF is dominated by extreme left wing crazies from the US and Britain, plus some guys from Russia who fell off the turnip truck. Reading the posts of leftists reminds me of the bar scene from the movie Star Wars.
     
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    The fact that we have an axe to grind with the right is the fault of the right. And really, how many threads on the topic of homosexuality are started by right wingers, vs left wingers? Come on, man- be honest. The vast majority of threads on the topic are started specifically to bash gay people, especially in Current Events. You can't possibly be blind to that. So if we get defensive in those threads, you only have yourselves to blame.
     
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    The way Colonel Sanders treats chickens is the fault of the chickens.
     
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    Ya it's everyone's fault but yours....Typical lefty thinking.
     
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    Echo Chamber.

    Echo Chamber.

    Echo Chamber.
     
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    So you are denying that the vast majority of threads regarding gays are started by right wingers in this forum, and that they are started specifically to bash gays? Really?
     
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    Ya lefties do echo their whining a lot. :roflol: That's how they fabricate unsubstantiated 'truth.' (Example: Hands up don't shoot)
     
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    I essentially said that lefties like to blame everyone else but themselves. Your reply makes no sense and, you can't prove it anyway. Lose/Lose
     
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    Oh yes because in order to be a moral person, one needs to believe in bronze age fairy tales. :roflol::clapping:
     
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    I didn't say that, exactly. What I was getting at, as I've observed elsewhere, is that top-down enforcement of civility is a lot like banning guns and depending on the government to protect you.

    But since you ask...

    This thread was locked, supposedly for violating rule 11. Here's my thread about it in Feedback.

    who the hell cares
     
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    The moer militant variety of atheist hovering on message boards desires to eradicate religon. I believe the pathos is much more malignant than simply not believing in God.

    I was agnosttic for most of my youth, but I thought it bad from to insult, denigrate, deride and mock another's belief. Apparently manners escapes this new variety of militant atheism.
     
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    So we start anti-gay threads ourselves? WTF?

    If you want proof of what I said, go to the Current Events section.

    Amazing, isn't it?

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    My manners tend to go out the window when people use their religion as an excuse to try to deny people like me our rights. Things would be a lot different if that were not the case.
     
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    Would you want to copy and paste your OP and let the members decide whether your thread was flame bait?
     
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