found a great site with the truth about CO2

http://www.galileomovement.com.au/science_futility.php#T

found some of the stuff on here good to read. Anyone got some thoughts on it
Please no anti alan jones rants....

 

Hey efjay

good find.

 

Thanks bud.
I have been going over some of the links there and reading about the lies that started this whole mess.

 

I've been going through the pages and generally its what i have read before in other articles on other site, a great source of information on CO2.

I've said many times before a carbon tax that targets CO2 in the atmosphere is not going to clean up the Earth.

What about all the companies that dump their polutants in our rivers and creeks, what about all the cars and trucks that omit carbon monoxide, some times i wonder about the health of joggers at lunch time in the city or even cyclists.

What about oil refineries like Shell, BP, Mobil and Caltex here Australia what sort of polutants are they releasing into the atmosphere, i bet they are more harmful than CO2.

I find it insulting to the inteligence that they are passing a carbon tax that targets CO2 emmissions, its like saying they will tax the air that we breath, what's next oxygen, nitrogen, maybe hydrogen for monsoon rain.

How can Gillard go to Hazelwood, Yallourn etc and look those people in the eye and guarantee that their jobs are secure when she wants to shut down power stations.

How can Gillard or commy Bob look into the television and tell us that our coal industry will not be effected when she is targetting coal.

The carbon tax soon to be a world ETS is going to be a game on the stock exchange for richie rich and his mates, it will not contribute one bit in cleaning the Earth's atmosphere and the bottom line is we (the tax payers) will be the financiers of this elaborate hoax.

The reason why her tax cuts are so generous is because we are going to need the extra cash especially when we go to a world ETS.

Australian tax payer money going overseas in bucket loads to fund carbon units on the stock exchange, STINKS no other word comes to mind.

some extracts from the article which are as plain as day.

 

One more thing to the people that believe CO2 emmissions are responsble for the Earth heating up where is your evidence.

And dont just say because the poles are melting, this also happened in 1922 and they recovered.

http://www.politicalforum.com/australia/192182-weather-bureau-report-hmmmmmmmmmmmm.html

One thought all the rain forests that we have detroyed over the last few decades might have something to do with it as well.

I read some where that the amazon is the lungs of the Earth, and here we are detsrying it.

So where is the evidence that man made CO2 emmissions = warming the Earth ?

 

Thanks for the link. AGW is a political agenda and that's all.

Rated 5 stars.

 

wish i could get more of those foaming at the mouth rabid greens to read that link..it might make the world a bit better for us all...

 

I will throw one more into the mix. I am an earth scientist and according the Julia i therefore agree with global warming and the carbon tax. Well, not only do i not agree, most of my peers dont as well. Most of the IPCC "scientists" were actually social or economic scientists.

I have had the opportunity to look at some of the data including ice cores on which a lot of the theory is based. I could find no evidence to substantiate the claims. The biggest issue being that the oldest ice core to date is believed to be 740,000 years old. However, the age of the eath is 4.54 billion. Free oxyden in the atmosphere, in other words a modern atmosphere is known to have existed for about 1.7 billion years. Now, take a pice of paper. Even log paper if you so wish and try and plot 1.7 billion against 740,000. Not easy. The reason is simple, you can not reasoanably extrapolate 740,000 to 1.7 gig. It a little like looking at a spec of dust on a wall and saying that the wall is therefore made of dust. That is only playing with the fully modern atmosphere. There are good arguments that we should at least include the atmosphere as it existed up to around 3 billion years.

It is generally agreed that the earth is in a glacial period. It is more than likely that the end of this glacial period is comming to an end. There is evidence of heating, but i fail to see any evidence that man is causing this.

 

A debunking of the global warming agenda, from Roy W. Spencer, former NASA climatologist and climate expert.

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They're very pretty pictures aren't they?

 

typical...if it aint goverment line or greens propagada then it aint the truth...the gospel according to ziggy.

 

http://www.newswithviews.com/Morano/marc104.htm
found another great site...
it seems there are people of science that disagree with the man made global warming bull(*)(*)(*)(*)

 

Oh dear, your disabling bias causes you to make baseless assumptions of me after you have been on this site for only a couple of weeks. efjay, when you feel like personally refuting NASA, do let me know.

 

climate change is a normal thing and has less to do with co2 in the air than it does with the natural order of things...
Ziggy you can keep beating that dead horse mate but it aint going to win a race.

Here is a very simple thing for you to ponder... when cfc's were to blame for the hole in the ozone there was a world ban on them yes... if co2 is the cause of climate change ( hey wasnt it called global warming...oh thats right they worked out that idea wasnt working ) then wouldnt there be a global push to ban all co2 emissions... but enough of simple logic here you would rather deal in leftist crap spoon fed from commie bob

 

It's still called global warming buddy, AGW = Anthropogenic Global Warming. Climate Change is just a general term, has always been used as well.

There are more interests at stake with greenhouse emissions (it's not only CO2, the policy isn't only about Co2) than there were with cfc's. Oil and Coal are probably the two richest and most powerful industries on Earth. We know that smoking kills us, but people still smoke. Why? Because the Tobacco lobby is strong. What do you think the Kyoto agreement was? What do you think Carbon pricing is? What do you think the Governments announced policy of reducing emissions by 80% by 2050 is?

 

done with your crap ziggy, dont want it nor need it.
EACH to their own mate and i am happy for you to have an opinion on this but really i aint interested in it....you are for the greens and for what they stand for. I HATE the greens and think bob is a cmmie scumbag...again simple fact. We are not getting anyware with this so just leave it be buddy...


How about we talk this over after the next federal election...

 

done with your crap ziggy, dont want it nor need it.
EACH to their own mate and i am happy for you to have an opinion on this but really i aint interested in it....you are for the greens and for what they stand for. I HATE the greens and think bob is a cmmie scumbag...again my opinion. We are not getting anyware with this so just leave it be buddy...


How about we talk this over after the next federal election...

 

Well I'm glad you can admit that you aren't interested in debate and won't change your mind. I'm perfectly willing to change my position on AGW, all it will require is that the majority of scientists change their position. Bob Brown is not a communist, you simply have an irrational hatred of the Greens for some unknown reason. Again I'm glad you can admit you are not interested in debate on this and will never change your mind about it.

 

In your opinion bob isnt a commie mate...in mine and the opinion of many arond me he is..but like i have said happy for you to have an opinion that differs from mine. For me its not about changing others minds about it its more to let RATIONAL people see there is another side to things... anyways have a good one ziggy..
Oh btw mate i am up for debate on it, just not with an irational person that wont even look at the evidence .

 

Your opinion about Bob Brown and the Greens is not actually backed up by their official public policy positions and the definition of Communism. So it's simply wrong, unless you're suggesting a conspiracy. Which wouldn't surprise me.

I will look at any evidence. But I will not automatically adopt the views in contrary to vast majority of the worlds scientists, from some random blog site backed by Alan Jones and citing other blog sites as their evidence, lol.

I find it mildly amusing that you call me irrational. Well I guess you need to reinforce your bias, so it's convenient to call anyone that doesn't agree with you irrational. lol, how pathetic. But whatever floats your boat mate.

 

what part of the above post did you not comprehend ziggy?

 

I can't force you to read what I post or respond to it. There is an ignore button, I would consider it an honour to be on your ignore list.

 

http://www.galileomovement.com.au/sc...futility.php#T

great site for info guys
and another one.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Morano/marc104.htm

While some think its just right wing blog crap there is some great stuff there to read and talk about..
oh i forgot to add.
Morano has held both White House and Capitol Hill Press credentials and a former member of the Society of Professional Journalists. He has attended and reported on numerous international eco-conferences as well as the 2002 UN-sponsored Earth Summit in Johannesburg, South Africa. Prior to joining the Senate, Morano worked for well over a decade as an investigative journalist, documentary maker, radio talk show host and national television correspondent. In 2000, his investigative television documentary "Amazon Rainforest: Clear-Cutting the Myths" created an international firestorm. His reporting has made international news, including appearances and coverage on CNN, Fox News Channel's The O'Reilly Factor and Hannity & Colmes, BBC TV, The New York Times, The Washington Post, USA Today, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Post, US Weekly Magazine, web links from the Drudge Report, the entertainment show Extra TV, and Politically Incorrect w/ Bill Maher.

 

Hmmm, it would be hard to attribute human's to anything significant when you believe this:

Even so, congratulations for finding something well-presented from one of the 2% of climate scientists who are opposed to the typical view.

 

Its funny how most scientists that dont have to tow company policy are scepetics.