Free speech? Sure – but only for leftists

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  1. Quantum Nerd

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    I apologize, I must have responded to someone else. But, answer this: Do you, or do you not support government regulating facebook to achieve a balance between liberal and conservative views?
     
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    It's a good thing that several sites have shoved a bar of soap in Trump's mouth, and long overdue.

    We now have at least 4 years to re-establish our moral and ethical standards that were set aside by Trump.
     
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    Fair enough.

    I've already stated my position up thread, however I will respond because I believe you are asking in good faith. Generally, I oppose government regulation of industry. There are some exceptions. but none that would apply to a social media company or web host. AS private entities, web businesses that provide a forum for members to voluntarily post have every right to determine what kind of content they wish to host on their servers. I belong to several Porsche 911 forums -- and I agree to be bound by their terms and conditions by using their service. In other words, I give my consent to be censored -- frankly I'd call it voluntary content moderation. If I post about AMG Mercedes, I expect the owners of the 911 site to delete my post. If I repeatedly violate the rules to which I previously agreed, I expect to be banned. Facebook happens to a substantial footprint in social media. They have been very successful at rising above the competition and providing a service that people want to use -- again on a strictly voluntary basis.

    The claim that seems to be a part of the OP's thesis that somehow this constitutes a violation of the 1st Amendment is wrong. The Constitution exists to limit the authority of the state, and solely the state.

    My advice to folks who feel they are being treated unfairly by big tech -- and there is no disputing that "big tech" absolutely puts its thumb on the scale -- is to beat them at their own game. Create a superior product and put them out of business. Or at least capture their market share.

    caveat emptor.
     
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    We needed a site for people who lacked affection and attention at a young age, thus, a good thing Parler exist.
     
  5. ImNotOliver

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    I’m quite certain that the “Totalitarian Left” is more fabrication than fact. It is one of those things that many are having problems with, vis-a-vis free speech. It is not free speech that is being blocked, it is misinformation that is being blocked.
     
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    I lived in China for three years. The state controls nearly every aspect of
    Pǔtōng rén life. Hard to get further left, or totalitarian, than the Zhōngguó gòngchǎndǎng (Communist Party of China).

    Misinformation is also free speech.
     
  7. Matthewthf

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    That's what the left is best at having is double standards.
     
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    Perhaps one’s terminology is misinformed. In political science terms, the far right is an absolute ruler and the far left is a direct democracy. The US sits in the middle. The people are allowed to vote, but it is still the ruling elite that make most of the rules. China is to the right as it is less democratic and more authoritarian.

    To further illustrate the concept. Conservative parents tend to be authoritarian. Many being rather strict with their children. Liberal parents tend to be rather lenient, allowing their children to have opinions of their own.

    A police state is a right wing state. Have not the protests over lack of police accountability over this past year shown the clear divide, as those on the left ask for accountability, and the right ardently supports the police, no matter the harm they are doing in society.

    Those in Hong Kong who are protesting the Chinese government are not conservatives.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am really glad to hear you were busted 3 times. Shows the moderators apply equal justice!
     
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    A private company approaching a monopoly!
     
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    The funny part is none of the liberals, who I have busted balls, has ever reported me. Go figure.
     
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    You probably are not familiar with agricultural terms, but here we call them "free range children". Last year at this time my wife and I were touring exhibits at the Smithsonian in Washington D.C.. In the middle of the traffic, was a "free range child" laying on the floor having a temper tantrum. His father knelt down beside him trying to use l"liberal logic and reasoning" while crowds were forced to detour. Apparently this father had been a free range child himself and grew into a fine Democrat.

    A Conservative father would have immediately removed the child from the public spectacle and after finding a private area he would have knelt down, looked the child in the eye closely, and if that didn't draw the child's attention, a swift smack on the behind would be applied to break the child's self serving trance. Then the explanation would be given, "there is no reward for that type of behavior. We are raising you up to be an adult that respects society and honors their parents. Until you meet that criteria, there will be swift consequences". You can call that tough love if you wish, but if we had more of it, there would be less liberals in America.
     
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    but liberals are the ones that ALWAYS report me. I refused to be report for a long time until I decided nothing was going to be done until I spoke up. This site is not apparently one sided like the Main Stream News Media where nothing can be done to staunch their one sidedness.
     
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    So Trump was a "free range" kid. That explains a lot. Thank you.
     
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    I don't tattle on anyone...I'm a grown man.
     
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    Ahh, the victim card. I see it played a lot from some conservatives over the last four years.
     
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    Have you not read my signature?
     
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    I grew up on a farm. Free range chickens are healthier and tend to have better tasting meat and eggs. High end restaurants insist on free range chickens. You are here comparing liberal children with chickens who can roam freely and have better outcomes. Then conservative children are like what? Those chickens who are stuffed into cages, who have to have their beaks clipped so they don’t peck each other. And end up with horrible feet problems from having no where to stand except on a metal grate that allows their poop to fall through.
     
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    Sure. But they've always been. They (Twitter) invented the format and no one has ever really challenged them in that space.
     
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    I have always preferred to view the political spectrum as a continuum between authoritarianism and libertarianism, which politically translates to statism vs. individualism.

    You'll find authoritarians on both sides, the preponderence of which grows as you near the extremities of the graph, far to the left or far to the right. There are also libertarians on both sides of that center line, but they become increasingly marginalized as the extremities dominate social intercourse through their bombast and clamorous rhetoric: "you're either with us or against us."
     

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