Gavin Newsom's reparations committee will recommend handing out $223,200 per person to all descendan

Needing proof is soon going to go to any black or brown person of African decent because news flash, SLAVES DIDN'T KEEP RECORDS so yeah when they realize that anyone who's family were slaves probably doesn't have document to prove it.

 

Just a few of the endless issues with this insane idea!

 

And the rationale behind Reparations, is that our society has, unfairly, treated black slaves, then black citizens, as a MONOLITH.

My argument had been that what was both fair, and beneficial to our overall society, was to remove the obstructions, which have been set up, over time, to the success of black citizens, relative to white ones. Among those obstacles, have been very dramatic ones, limiting the educational opportunities, and quality, of black Americans, in the past. Education is understood (and has proven) to be, a primary avenue to success. That success brought white citizens, writ large, the wealth, in order to afford the higher education of their children-- which, likewise, significantly contributed to their own success. One must need to be able to comprehend cycles, to understand and present any intelligent argument, relating to this topic of Reparations.

The government practice of Redlining, is also known to have greatly suppressed the black community's benefitting from the appreciation of their real estate investments, at anywhere close to the same level as have white Americans, overall. This appreciation, is also one of the main factors, which has permitted white citizens to avail themselves, to a much greater degree, of higher education-- because of its cost-- than have their black counterparts, been able to afford. So, once more, this points to the missing gaps of information, behind your arguments.

 

What papers? Few will have anything documented, so that proviso will never stand up in court. Every person with a single drop of brownish blood will claim and WIN, because precedents. Either that, or the landslide will mean they have to cancel the whole thing.

 

Yet another entire can of worms this will open .. forever.

 

No papers no claim.

 

Not that your logic is ...well...logical... but if you really believe this then you should be targeting the source of black slavery to demand reparations. That is generally how things go. So... Who was the source of black slavery?

Also, if we're talking about reparations for slavery that happened long before any of us were born...where's my reparations? Every "race" in the world has been enslaved at one point or another throughout history.

 

Will NEVER stand up in court. Can you imagine the discrimination claims? They'll cost far more than $200k a head.

 

Exactly, that's why papers are needed

 

Try again. The demand for 'papers' will never stand up in court.

It will be deemed DISCRIMINATION faster than you can say "be careful what you wish for".

 

America will never pay reparations. That will be their downfall Yah willing.

 

It can't. Not without overturning the last twenty years of precedents around identity and race. And it would need to go even further back than 1999 .. it would have to be some kind of 1950's-esque apartheid.

 

Why doesn't he just take them out to dinner at the French Laundry?

 

The source of African enslavement in the 13 colonies was the British. Yes, slavery took place before any of us were born. The ones who were enslaved are long gone. But---the wealth they created is still around. Slaves helped build:
1) The White House
2) Wall Street
3) Monticello (Jefferson's home)
4) Mt Vernon (Washington's home)
5) The Hermitage (Andrew
Jackson's home)
6) Most of the beautiful old mansions in the Deep South

Also, many of the old IVY League schools owned slaves and would sell them when they needed cash. Slaves were worth about 4 billion dollars in 1861, more than all the banks, railroads and businesses combined at that time. Most of America's millionaires were the owners of cotton plantations in Mississippi. (My ancestors helped pick cotton on one of those Mississippi plantations.)
I am not concerned with who else was enslaved in other countries, and at other times in history. I am concerned with THIS country and the Africans enslaved from 1619 till 1865.
Hope I answered your question.

 

Since the enslavement of AFRICANS in the USA was based on skin color, I guess it is based on skin color. The others you mentioned may need to look for their own reparations.

 

Wow! I wish you had been around when the Founding Fathers decided to enslave Africans based on their SKIN COLOR. You could have talked them out of it. They did use DNA (skin color, genetics) to enslave people. And they created a law that stated any baby born of a slave Mother would also be a slave. Know why they did that? So that if a baby had a WHITE father, it wouldn't matter---they would still be a slave. Those Founding Fathers were smart weren't they?

 

African enslavement of the slaves in the US was not originally done by the British. In point of fact during the last era of slavery it was rare for any British person to even set foot in Africa for an extended period of time. Did you know that?

 

Why shouldn't they get reparations for the same reason the blacks do? Does it matter that one was done related to race and the others not? Is it the slavery being compensated for or is it skin tone vouchers passed down to future generations?

 

Also, are these reparations inclusive of only US citizens or does it include those who today are lured or captured against their will and brought to the US, which is now mostly eastern europeans and asians?

 

So when are you going to give the railroad system to the Asians?

 

Is this for all black folks?

Are you for including black people who immigrated after 1865? Do they need papers proving their parents or grandparents were slaves? Does this include non-white kids adopted by black parents?

And am i understanding correctly that you don't want to include non-blacks who were more recently enslaved and brought against their will to America? They need to get separate reparations and you dont include them in the reparations you argue for? If so, on what non-racist basis?

 

Snark is rather sad when you address it to people who had nothing to do with the issue at hand.

Your anger is obvious, and you feel you are owed something from people who had nothing to do with your anger. But hey, go for it - let your anger eat you up and sour your life. Me, I'll keep being me, and treat all people equally until they prove me wrong.

 

Amazing how when conservatives finally embraced that notion so called progressives abandoned it.

 

For many, it was never a 'finally', it just always was.

Being treated equally isn't good enough. Demanding the proverbial retribution and bowing one's head in shame seems to be on the agenda for some.

I can't have shame for actions that were not mine, nor could have stopped. I can't have shame because of the conditions of my birth. I can only have shame for my own actions.

 

Have a Happy, Prosperous New Year!