Gaza started shooting rockets on Israel cities again

Nonsense. Every item on the post-2010 list is either prohibited or subject to 'special permission' from Israel which can prevent the importation of anything at any time it likes. And you know it.

 

What are you talking about? Did you even read your own link? No food stuffs are prohibited and they are now allowing the importation of construction supplies, the only things which are still prohibited are dual use items; such as, chemical fertilizers which can be used to make bombs.

 

I commend your patience.

Yet another expert on the Jewish identity who hasn't a clue what being Jewish is or how its defined.

I will never be amazed at the sheer volume of experts on Jewish cultural identity formation on this forum.

Unfortunately these threads break down to name calling and insulting of all Jews.

Lol what one thinks is a smart ass princess another interprets as a flatulent teenager with hormonal imbalance.

Perception. Its all relative.

 

Interesting snippet from the Guardian link; "We don't need cosmetic changes..."
Like you said, "Perception. It's all relative"

 

None of these two.

 

you really believe in fairy tales.

 

thousands of years ? try 1948. before then the Palestinians had their own land (granted it was a British province) but they were left to their own.
then, a bunch of North African and European Jews decided they suddenly became Middle Eastern and invaded.

 

north africans are not middle eastern [whatever that means anyway]??

 

"Their" people are not killed, so much as innocent pawns are.

The extremists in Israel will keep stealing land, and the extremists in Palestine will keep shooting symbolic rockets at Israel, endangering more innocents.

What is really needed is an exclusive venue for extremists.

 

The problem with the iron dome system is that when Israelis started dying less, people seemed to start acting as if the Palestinians were purely victims, when in fact they seem to have been trying just as hard to kill people as ever before.

 

Agreed I don't support the settlements I support land swaps of arable Israeli lands in exchange for the settlements to form a contiguous Palestinian state along the Taba parameters.

 

The Jews and their ancestors have had an unbroken presence in the Levant for 10 thousand years, the Palestinians arrived from the Arab peninsula less than 2 thousand years ago with the Islamic conquests.

Once again the numerous peer reviewed genetic studies unequivocally prove that the majority of modern Jews are the indigenous inhabitants of modern day Israel.

 

actually, the most recent genetic research shows that the Jews do indeed have links to the Middle East, and share genes most commonly with.......wait for it....wait for it....the Palestinians.

 

The Palestinians have an Arab specific haplogroup. Provide a source for your assertion, here is my source:

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people
Doron M. Behar1,2*, Bayazit Yunusbayev2,3*, Mait Metspalu2*, Ene Metspalu2, Saharon Rosset4, Ju¨ri Parik2,
Siiri Rootsi2, Gyaneshwer Chaubey2, Ildus Kutuev2,3, Guennady Yudkovsky1,5, Elza K. Khusnutdinova3,
Oleg Balanovsky6, Ornella Semino7, Luisa Pereira8,9, David Comas10, David Gurwitz11, Batsheva Bonne-Tamir11,
Tudor Parfitt12, Michael F. Hammer13, Karl Skorecki1,5 & Richard Villems2


Populations of the Caucasus,
flanked by Cypriots, form an almost uninterrupted rim that separates
the bulk of Europeans from Middle Eastern populations. Bedouins,
Jordanians, Palestinians and Saudi Arabians are located in close
proximity to each other, which is consistent with a common origin
in the Arabian Peninsula25,

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...MK7x7gCdz_nac20ihIKaOEw&bvm=bv.49784469,d.eWU

 

Many genetic studies have demonstrated that most of the various Jewish ethnic divisions and the Palestinians and other Levantines, like the Druze[11][12][16][38] and Bedouin,[11][12] are genetically closer to each other than the Palestinians or European Jews are to non-Jewish Europeans or Africans.[11][12][87] One DNA study by Nebel and colleagues found genetic evidence in support of historical records that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD".[87] They also found substantial genetic overlap between Muslim Palestinians and Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, though with some significant differences that might be explainable by the geographical isolation of the Jews and by immigration of Arab tribes in the first millennium.[87]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Palestinians

High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes
of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure
and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf

In a study of Israeli and Palestinian Muslim Arabs, more than 70% of the Jewish men and 82% of the Arab men whose DNA was studied, had inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors, who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. "Our recent study of high-resolution microsatellite haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool."[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Paternal_lineage.2C_Y_chromosome

High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s004390000426

 

Which just goes to show that the joke of a religion of Islam will turn anyone into a mouth breathing, knuckledragging, troglodyte, incompetent, violent, unintelligible moron regardless of genetics.

 

They are both indigenous to the Middle East, however, where does the study show that Palestinians are closer related to modern Jews than to other Arab populations?

Keep reading:



According to a 2010 study by Behar et al. titled "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people", some Palestinians tested clustered genetically close to Bedouins, Jordanians and Saudi Arabians which could indicate a common ancestry or some recent ancestral influx from the Arabian Peninsula.[122]
The study you're citing is not the newest research it is actually 13 years old.

Keep reading:

In relation to the region of the Fertile Crescent, the same study noted; "In comparison with data available from other relevant populations in the region, Jews were found to be more closely related to groups in the north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks, and Armenians) than to their Arab neighbors."[26]

That would indicate that the Arabs came from further south IE the Arabian peninsula not the Levant.

 

Whatever but the real point is that they are there now and, are completely naturalized in a legal globally accepted nation and, anybody that wants to make this a talking point had better devise a system to tell them apart and, put it in place with the authority to send them somewhere when and if they either get the permission of the Israeli authorities to test each and every Israeli and failing that, have a military force large enough to invade and put this in place.

Another aspect of this argument is what will be the error margin that is acceptable to send some Israelis packing to the wherever and what are the appeal processes and how will they be enforced and what restitution will be paid at what rate for wrongful expelling?

It's a fools argument is all it is, a what if sort of thing for regressive thinkers that has no bearing on the here and now.

 

If they cannot stop private armies, as you calim, they are not fit to govern themselves.
They should join a real state and I have the perfect candidate for them: Egypt.
They have the same language, they worship the same god, they have the same ideology for Hamas is part of the muslim brotherhood originated in Egypt.
They even are part of the same families, which were artificially disconnected when part of Rafah was declared Egypt and part Gazan after Israel/Egypt peace.

 

You dont really know what you're talking about, do you ?
Israel is a tiny little spec on a map of 22 huge Arab states.
Egypt alone is more than 100 times bigger than Israel.

 

There are even some jungle dwellers from North India, called Kuki Mizo, that moved to Israel, because some crazy Rabbis decided that these savages stem from the ancient Israelites.

 

No it did not. Your just making things up

Which was a direct result to no completion of Oslo and a Palestinians State which should have happened in 1999 and directly Orchestrated by Sharon. I watched much of that of my tv so I know about the brutality of the Israelis.

You never answer honestly. The point was made that it takes two to tang. No it does not. Not in negotiations for a two state solution and most certainly not in the creation of Gaza. Because of fears that the International Community were actually going to create the pressure for something to be done and not least because the Palestinians had shown their goodwill, Sharon decided to move the settlers out of Gaza having built a wall around and leaving them in a prison. I never even mentioned the blockade. I had you on ignore for months because you never ever post honestly. This is just one more example.

I always wondered when we hear Christian Zionists say 'we gave them Gaza and look what they did'. They responded to the possibility of a two state solution being taken away and them being left as prisoners.

 

No, this was just a Zionist lie, that was already debunked by honest Jewish scientists.

Only some members of the so-called Cohanim-Clan can trace their origins to the Middle East (not necessarily to Palestine).

But this is only about 1% of all Jews!!!

The majority of rank and file Ashkenazim stem from North Caucasus (former Khazaria).

Read this discussion for more information:

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=282956

 

Yes, but there was no international law that prohibited land theft and ethnic cleansing before the adoption of the Geneva Convention in 1949.

There is a legal principle, called "Nullum crimen sine lege.

One cannot sue people for something that is not prohibited by law.

Well, the the IMT in Nuremberg did not stick to this principle.

If you had won a war (like it was after WWII, when the NS-Leaders were punished according to laws that did not exist during WWII, but the Western allies and Poles could get away with their murder, land theft and ethnic cleansing), then you could neglect the accepted legal principles.

But the legal situation has changed after the adoption of the Geneva Convention, and Zionists cannot get away pointing the finger to Poland and Germany, like a Cannibal cannot get away with his crimes any more even if he claims that no Cannibal was punished for eating humans in the Stone Age.

 

Glad somebody else noticed. I was beginning to think it was just me.