George Washington

This is a fascinating photo real "modern" rendition of George Washington if he was president today. A legend and yet just a man of indomitable character.

Did you get a visceral reaction too, or am I just too high at the moment?

 

That whole slaveholder thing would probably be tough issue if he were running for President today. Best to run as a Democrat; they can smooth that over.

 

this is what black liberals and blm supporters think of george washington:

https://newsradiowrva.radio.com/blo...la-rye-tear-down-washington-jefferson-statues


"American history is not all glorious," Rye said. "George Washington was a slave owner. We need to call slave owners out for what they are. Whether we think they were protecting American freedom or not, he wasn't protecting my freedoms."

Which led her to conclude, "To me, I don't care if it's a George Washington statue or Thomas Jefferson, they all need to come down”


Just a glimpse of what blm movement truly represents. Hate, retribution, ignorance, racism, a danger to society jonsa.

courage is not supporting blm if you are a black man, that’s the easy part. Standing up to them, as a black man, be careful... you will be an uncle tom and a traitor to your race. We need courage through these times...

 

I saw that. And the same artist rendered photos of other founding fathers like

John Adams



Thomas Jefferson


James Madison


James Monroe


John Quincy Adams

 

What is the artist's name, please?

 

Looks like James Woods.

 

Here is one of Benedict Arnold:

 

Yeah I know what you mean. Its not fair to judge anyone on the accepted practices and realities of their day. Like blaming 21st century germans for nazis or today's jews for killing christ. Fact is ol' george was a slave owner. Now I realize you think this besmirches his image, but it is his reality. To some who want to may political hay today, its fair game even if it makes many a fellow american uncomfortable and many white folks angry.

I reject your characterization of the BLM movement entirely, but I completely understand where they are coming from. Shall we judge MAGA based on the Oath Keepers? Try to keep the real issue in focus - a screwed up racially imbalanced justice system and the urgent need for reform. Is that a bad thing by you?

 

Ah the cracker jack school of american history sure is some kinda funny.

 

He's using a picture from Jefferson's youth, also I don't think he'd have his hair that long.

 

So what if he was a slave owner, his contributions to this great Country greatly outweigh the fact that he was a slave owner. He was a slave owner not because he was inherently racist or a bad man but because it was the times. Hey, Jonsa, did you know that Africans had slaves (yeah, black on black) way before whites in America had slaves? You have a problem with Africans too? Does Angela? Guess what Jonsa, the whole world, all of humanity, through thousands of years, slavery has been part of our history, all races. Hey, Jonsa, did you know Anthony Johnson, a black man, owned slaves in America?

You and most of the people here would be happy slave owners back then, yeah, believe it. Even the most ardent BLM advocates would be slave owners, oh yeah. See, when you are born into it, you see it as normal. Your neighbors have slaves, your pa and ma have slaves, your taught at birth 'hey, it's ok' and guess what Jonsie.... we are what we are taught and it's nothing short of ignorant to look at all slave owners back then as just horrible people, want to discredit them. Some were, perhaps the ones who treated slaves badly but it was the times.... If you were born into it, as long as you treated slaves well, it's ignorant to just vilify any slave owner.

But, when ignorant people like Angela Rye dismiss Goerge Washington's contributions and just try to, basically, ERASE him, without any consideration for history, not only American history, but world history, yeah, Jonsa, it's kinda ignorant. I do not think Angela Rye is an idiot though, she knows what i state above is all true... see, Angela just wants retribution, i genuinely think she is a racist. It's what i believe, or she just ignorant? Half the time i hear her talk, she's too emotional to say anything coherent.

 

You can't judge history based on the morals and laws of the present and future.

 

Yeah, they would all look much older now. Most people don't age well after the first 200 years.

 

that's just common sense but those who seek to ERASE whiteness and european influence, won't apply any common sense. ALL Whites were bad.... ERASE IT ALL...

What's interesting is that there is a lot of cherry picking. So we hear how all slave owners were just horrible racists etc... but i never hear the same attacks on africans or even black slave owners in US, like Anthony Johnson. It proves that many don't care about slavery at all, it's about attacking whites. I've never heard BLM vilify Africa for selling slaves to US in the first place.. nah, they were 'good' slave owners, they weren't white.

 

I agree. Acknowledging it is not diminishing his greatness in any way. Hey Mikey, I know the history of slavery. and what point are you trying to make exactly. What is the source of this outrage you are attempting to express?

I am well aware of that slave ownership was a pillar of white culture for hundreds of years. this is no revelation mikey.
And it vilifying slave owners was at the heart of the bloodiest war in American history where their fellow americans crushed them. Its a stain on that lilly white skin, but I'm sure they were all very nice people. Imagine being a slave and your owner comes over and says 'Boy drop your drawers and bend over" Or "boy on your knees" - thats slavery and it ain't a comfortable well treated life in any friggin way shape or form. You'd pick up an AK real quick if somebody tried that bullshit on you, no?


And if Angela Rye wants to break the rules about never going full retard, (tropic thunder reference) you have every right to direct your scorn towards her. She does not represent black people, she represents her own sorry arse PERIOD.

 

Man, calm down. Anyone who seeks to erase whiteness is going to be bitterly friggin' disappointed. You are seriously worried about something that is the complete reverse of those scumbag RAWA wet dreams. Not gonna happen.

Talk about cherry picking. sheeeeeesh.

 

I go where the facts are.

I study the facts, apply critical thinking. I watch FOX news AND CNN, not just one... What reality is today is so blurred that we have to take in all the information bombarded at us with a lot of skepticism. It's hard to know what is truth nowadays, you have to go on an fact finding expedition for days, on any topic. CNN may show us vids of kids crying at the border, FOX will show us vids of immigrants throwing rocks at immigration enforcement. What's the truth? Was the kid crying because he/she got separated from parents or was just hungry at the moment and wanted a snack? Were the immigrants actually throwing rocks at officers or at other immigrants?

The media and politicians sowing distrust into the public is the status quo today. Politicians simply want to secure jobs, attain fame, use that fame to enrich themselves. The media seeks ratings, if they have to incite a riot (as they did with Mike Brown based on false premise that a racist cop shot him as he had his hands up), they will do so, its revenue.

This brings me to race, which is, sadly, at the center of the pile of untruths that circulate around media and political class. Race is controversial, it triggers us emotionally, it is ratings worthy, and yes, it is used as a political weapon. To dismiss all of this as if it is not fact, is to be naive or to just be complicit.

Until facts show me otherwise, BLM to me, represents not a movement for equality but a movement which seeks retribution. It is also a movement which seeks profit and they have achieved this, many in BLM have enriched themselves and many of them don't give a lick about equality. Cops and white supremacy are simply non-issues in today's world, one of the least worries of blacks. Very few blacks are killed unjustifiably a year, around 20. This is simply nothing, it will never be 0. When you have thousands of police encounters a year, there will be deaths, 20 unarmed blacks dead at hands of police a year is evidence that it's simply a non-issue. Meanwhile, over 3,000 blacks are killed by other blacks a year and nobody, no-one can with a straight face, tell me this isn't a much larger issue than cops. Black conservatives will tell you this, black conservatives are enemies of black liberals though.

I study the facts, i hear both sides and what the facts tell me is this and it is painfully clear. Institutional racism is simply a thing of a past, it's GONE... THIS IS THE PROBLEM. For decades and decades, politicians have played the race card to defeat the opposition, convince Americans that 'they' are on their side and the opposition 'racists'. This has been the go to political weapon of choice for decades and the left is desperately trying to cling to this weapon as they see it slip from their grips. We had a black president for 8 years, black millionaires are everywhere, blacks have more power than ever before, institutional racism is truly dead. THIS IS what the left is fighting, they cannot let the perception of racism die, it must stay alive, it's a means to power. The last thing the left wants is to lose this powerful political weapon, then they would actually have to explain to Americans why their policy prescriptions are better. That's quite a challenge for your average democrat today.

 

maybe one day you will wake up to the biggest danger we face today - identity politics. This is America's #1 enemy, the constant dividing along lines of race.... it will blow up in our face. It already is...

 

Well if you seek facts here's a few that obviously support your racial perspectives.





Get back to me after you have assimilated these factual data and tested them against your perspective.

 

Time to grab a Snickers bar. It'll probably be a while.

 

And it seems you appear to be doing one helluva lot of identifying. Given MAGA I will agree its blown up in your face. how else can you describe an insurrection?

 

Looking at the FBI's homicide data, looks like when policeman approaches a black person as a suspect, the person is 5 times more likely to be a killer. That's just what the data appears to say given that Blacks make up 12% of the population and non-Hispanic Whites make up 60% of the population.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

I apologize if you are trying to prove that cops are racist and not just applying a different amount of caution given the risk they perceive in different circumstances. Seems they have erred on the side of life ,,, which doesn't help those who may have been wrongly gunned down.

 

GW would have been branded a right-wing extremist by liberals, leftists, Democrats, and the mainstream media..