George Washington

I am not trying to prove that "cops are racist", although some significant % of them obviously are since they are all humans.
I am demonstrating that there are gross and obvious disparities in how the justice system as a whole deals with black citizens. Establishing that regardless of what white apologists might presume, black people have legitimate grievances.

I am aware of the disparities in these stats. tell me why black cops don't kill as often as white cops in black neighborhoods, nor kill more white people in white neighborhoods. Are you suggesting cops have this stat top of mind and perceive they are in five times more danger of being killed themselves?

 

Not apologizing for anyone or anything. Posting raw numbers without perspective is misleading. Feel free to post additional data if you have it. I happened to know the FBI homicide v race chart.

 

I agree that posting raw numbers is can be misleading. There are lies, damn lies and statistics as the ol' saying goes.

the point you are making is a valid one since the stats don't lie. Now you suggest this statistical disparity is a reasonable explanation in answer to the obvious statistical "anomaly" that white cops shoot more blacks in black neighborhoods than black cops.

I accept that heightened fear could be the common trigger among white cops in black neighborhoods creating the disproportion of shootings. But if that is the case why aren't there more? Why is there such a urban/rural disparity in incidents? Seems to me that that there are any number of racial and economic factors to also be considered. There is no one single answer or causation, like most thinks in life - its complicated.

 

It may be also that blacks are more likely to step up to white officers than they are to black officers. Who knows. I am sure some of it is the racial thing but I doubt all are. One of the things my city is doing is more zonal policing. Instead of being assigned to the city at large, officers are now assigned to certain zones so that they are more likely to interact with the same people and the masses are more likely to interact with the same officers over time.

 

I more than doubt all are. I definitively know that all are not.

We call it community policing which includes a number of outreach programs. It isn't a panacea but its both cost and socially effective.

 

Not really the community policing model they are doing. We still do that in some neighborhoods.

 

You provide a lot of data yet none of it shows any hard evidence that there is institutional racism in law enforcement.

Most of what you show is irrelevant - charts of gun violence in US vs other countries, charts showing that police are also at risk and # of police shootings a year. None of it points to evidence of racism in law enforcement

A small piece of what you show is at least relevant but without any context or additional info/facts necessary to make any well informed conclusions. So for instance, per 100k of population, you show that blacks are more likely to be killed by police. What is missing is relevant facts and context. The real question is are these justified shootings or not? If blacks commit more of the violent crime, you would expect more violent altercations with police and expect likelihood of shootings to be more right? We need to examine crime stats and circumstances. I will do that for you to help you out.

Let's do an in depth analysis on assaults vs police, crime stats and police shootings. Let's try and put it all together.

You provided 2018 stats, let's take a closer at 2018, shall we?

assaults vs police 2018

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/officers-assaulted

58,866 officers were assaulted, 18k of which sustained injuries

This is significant, that out of so many assaults on officers, 18k of them being injured, only 1,000 citizens were shot by police in 2018? This shows remarkable restraint on behalf of police officers, a complete opposite picture of 'police brutality'


crime statistics 2018

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/violent-crime

1.2mm violent crimes

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

So, Blacks are only 13% of population yet committed 27% of the crime, that's twice as much. The most striking is murder, 53% committed by blacks even though they are only 13% of population. Pretty much, blacks are overrepresented in violent crime - 28% rape, 54% robbery, 29% burglary, 30% larceny... overall 37% of violent crime committed by blacks, that's 3 times more than their representation in overall population. What does this mean? expect more violent altercations with police in black communities vs white communities, proportionally.


police shootings, 2018

998 shootings (23% black of them black, 45% white, 16% hispanic). Only 4% were unarmed.

https://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investigation/police-shot-killed-nearly-1000-in-2018/

Twice as many whites shot vs blacks, where is this covered on CNN, MSNBC?

Lastly,
Unarmed black men being shot? 'HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT'? no epidemic at all. A myth. The real problem is homicides. This is the real epidemic.

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice

"Much of modern policing is driven by crime data and community demands for help. The African American community tends to be policed more heavily, because that is where people are disproportionately hurt by violent street crime. In New York City in 2018, 73% of shooting victims were Black, though Black residents comprise only 24% of the city’s population."

"Nationally, African Americans between the ages of 10 and 34 die from homicide at 13 times the rate of white Americans, according to researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Justice Department."

"The number of unarmed Black shooting victims is down 63% from 2015, when the database began. There are about 7,300 Black homicide victims a year. The 14 unarmed victims in fatal police shootings would comprise only 0.2% of that total."

 

You have to put these men into the context of their times. 1800, slavery was legal and practiced in 80% of the world. One could say slavery was the norm pretty much worldwide. although Iceland, Sweden, Lithuania slavery was illegal by 1800. Portugal outlawed enslaving Chinese, but left the rest. Spain outlawed enslaving native Americans, but retained slavery of Africans. Slavery continued in Africa until the 20th century when in 2003 Niger made Slavery a crime and in 2007 Mauritania followed suite.

By 1865 when slavery was abolished in the U.S., you still had over half the world engaging in slavery. Especially in Asia, Africa and the middle east. If one doesn't put these men like Washington, Jefferson and the like into the context of their times, the world as a whole into that context, you'll miss the greatness of these men. Context is everything. But context gets ignored almost always.

who knows, 200-300 years in the future, future generations will look back on abortion as we do today on human sacrifice. What is the norm today become taboo tomorrow and what was taboo yesterday become the norm for today, etc.

 

I'll take it a step further. BLM doesn't care about black lives outside of the U.S. If they did, they'd have a lot more to protest about in Libya, where slavery is still currently going on against blacks.

Of course, you'll see the same from many black athletes that talk about our legacy of slavery while making excuses for or remaining silent about China's slavery of the Uyghurs (Lebron) and while having endorsement deals from those who benefit from said slavery (like Kaepernick and his Nike endorsement).

It's not really about racism or slavery. It's about extorting money from the system and/or profiting off of outrage and virtue signaling.

 

If that picture were a statue, BLM and Antifa would be burning it and tearing it down right now.

 

And I hope they caught the bastards. And BLM and antifa are two entirely different things. You know when the MAGA auxillary of fascists, racists, white nationalists, jew haters and quanon batshit crazies show up at BLM protests to counter protest. Antifa shows up to counter protest the counter protest only they come loaded for bear just like fascists they showed up to confront.

Talk about mixing causes and effects at will to avoid admitting to having any responsibility at all. Newsflash. Nazis/fascists, white nationalist supremacists and jew haters appear to stupid to realize the consequences of their intellectual bankruptcy, hatreds and blame evasion.

And I must say its looking mighty good on em these days.

 

*too

 

Of course grammar comes with the territory.

 

Facts hit hard...

 

absolutely, right on

 

tell your boy to come out of hiding...

 

So you obviously have no problem with the current Whitehouse endorsing ANTIFA terrorists?

 

I was trying to say he seemed to be using the less common picture of Jefferson, but on examination of several representations see I am wrong

 

And how have they done that?

 

www.antifa.com

 

So its okay for MAGA Bundt's "America First," but when it comes to BLM being about race, they are so hypocritical that they only care what is going on the in the streets that they are protesting in.

I will agree with you that it isn't about slavery. But for damn sure its about race.

Congrats. The magnificent rotundity of your logic is impressive. And the three strawmen with an ad hom flourish equally so.

 

Is that according to the DOJ or FBI or is that according to butt hurt fascists? Its good to know where you stand too.

 

You say strawmen but I don't think you understand what that actually means.

It's about race only as far as they can manipulate people by viewing everything through the lens of race. Critical race theory is the foundation of their neurosis.

 

I don't think you are correct in thinking you don't think I know what a strawman argument is. And no, critical race theory is derived from the minorities real life experiences to EXPLAIN the cause of both fears and neuroses and the sources of injustice. It seems cause and effect are once again confused.

 

Um. Seriously, read up on critical race theory. I think you'll find that it is thoroughly insane. Most minorities do not view things with that perspective, and if they did, we'd be more dysfunctional than Zimbabwe.

I'm going to assume that you don't know the principles of critical race theory, because even most people on the left do not defend it.