George Will leaves the Republican Party because Trump is Nuts!

Well known Republicans/conservatives all over the place are bailing from the Trump's sinking ship. George Will is the latest!
IMHO, Will's recommendation that the Republicans make sure Trump loses is an excellent one !!


Quote from the story link below:
Washington (CNN)Conservative commentator and columnist George Will says he is leaving the Republican Party because of Donald Trump -- and he's advocating that others do the same.
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Will, who worked on President Ronald Reagan's 1980 campaign, also said at the luncheon that Trump as president with "no opposition" from a Republican-led Congress would be worse than Clinton as president with a Republican-led Congress.
When asked by PJ Media about his message to conservatives regarding Trump, Will responded, "Make sure he loses. Grit their teeth for four years and win the White House."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/politics/george-will-donald-trump-leaving-republican-party-election/

 

George Will is searching for relevance.

 

Hey Snoopy, where in your link does will call Trump nuts? Answer he doesn't. RULE 11 violation.

 

George Will hasn't been relevant since Reagan.

 

When CNN starts writing stories about you, then you can talk convincingly about who's relevant

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If you got that literal in all the quotes on this form, there would be hundreds of people bounced daily. Look at the threads on this forum... lots of generalizations.

(anyway, i was just typing what Woodstock dictated. poor guy can't type for all the tiny feathers)

 

George Will IS relevant. He is a very well-known, respected, well-read Conservative. This is something you cannot deny.
It would be childish and totally crazy to think otherwise.

Congrats to the OP for putting out this information.

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Uhm.... not in Elections and Campaigns. Try again. Or maybe just write a maude instead of wasting board space with bellyaching.

Thanks!

 

And now, to keep this good thread on track, at this link is video to George Will saying he has left the Republican Party:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/george-will-sinking-gop_us_576ec60ee4b0dbb1bbbac552

Please also note this quote from the relatively short article, a quote from a REPUBLICAN:

That is essentially the best thing that REPUBLICANS can say of their own presumptive nominee. That is just plain old sad.

And the Democrats? Well, many of them are crazy about Hillary. I am. She has the deepest resume of anyone since George H. W. Bush (41) - a man whom I very much respect - for the presidency. While the GOP is literally falling apart (I can't wait to watch the Convention in Cleveland!!), the Democratic Party will unify and Hillary, her running mate, Pres. Obama, FLOTUS Michelle Obama, VP Biden and SLOTUS Jill Biden and of course, our 42nd president, Bill Clinton, will be out campaigning like hell for a Democratic landslide in November. Not just a win, but a crushing landslide. Our nation needs this very much.

I fully expect to see groups with titles similar to "Kansas Republican Women for Clinton" to spring up all over the place. Hell, she may even go campaign in Boise. Why not? If Trump can't get more than 9 points ahead of her in Utah, then she might as well make a play for Idaho as well. I am quite sure that she is going to take aim at a number of breadbasket states (the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma) that have been traditionally very, very red and work to peel-off one or two of them. Currently she is up +7 points on the Donald in Kansas and I have a hunch about South Dakota, a state that was even willing to give an honest look at Dukakis back in 1988. South Dakota is a state than can suddenly be a single digit GOP win instead of the usual +25. I am definitely keeping my eye on the breadbasket states. There appears to be a political techtonic shift going on there. I think that [MENTION=69526]Derideo_Te[/MENTION] would have some informative words about this, he appears to be very versed in going after truly failed Libertarian policies that some Republicans have effected or try to put into effect.

Let's put it this way: if for each high named Republican who defects or leaves the party, if only just 200,000 of the rank and file GOP voters start to scratch their heads and shy away from marking the X for Trump on November 8th and if only 1/2 of them, 100,000 per GOP high-name defector, actually stay away or vote for someone else, then Trump has already lost at least 500,000 votes now. Now, of an estimated voter turnout that should surpass 130 million votes, that is just 0.38% of the electorate - but could be very critical in states that could maybe be close. I personally think that the defections are going to affect up to 10,000,000 from the GOP rank and file, or about 25% of the party faithful and maybe 13% of the voting electorate.

I am very, very sure that former Secretary of States Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice will eventually come out in support of Hillary. And a very at-risk senator like Mark Kirk, hailing from a deep-blue state (Illinois) could very well lead the way among GOP senators who plant their flags behind Hillary.

Again, that these defections are happening so early in the game is the amazing part of this information.

And when Latino Decisions puts out it's next presidential poll showing Trump getting under 10% of the Latino vote, then watch many, many, MANY Republicans reach for the panic button - but too late. Because by then the snowball will be too big to stop.

-Stat

 

lol, I thought this meant George W Bush will leave.... I was thinking that would only help Trump

 

I cannot remember a national convention in which REPUBLICANS were more divided and restless than democrats. While you have not mentioned him. I don't doubt that Sanders will campaign in selective districts for Clinton as well.

 

I like Sanders but I am greatly displeased with him right now. At the moment he realized there is no way he will get the nomination, he should have gotten his ego out of the way and immediately thrown his support completely and without reservations behind Hillary. That is what she did for Obama in 2008 at a joint campaign event in New Hampshire. That he has not done this does not speak well of him at all. In fact, it has soured my view of him to a certain point.

But the Sanders Factor will go exactly the same way as the PUMA factor from 2008. Come election night, it won't matter. And Sanders will have ruined his potential VP-card with Hillary.

 

Gosh. Glad to know you approve of misquoting people. or do you just like being rude?
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The problem that the GOP has with Kansas is that they can't blame anything on the Dems. All of their problems are entirely self inflicted and Dems are just window dressing in the local legislature. When it comes to the Kansas House delegation they are 100% Republican.

I have mentioned elsewhere about how the Libertarian economic plan that Gov Brownback has imposed has been a complete and utter disaster so there is no need to repeat it here.

What is germane is to point out that the good citizens of Kansas voted for Bernie and Cruz in their primaries. Neither of the frontrunners won Kansas which probably speaks to the overall dissatisfaction of the electorate in that state. The margins weren't even close. They were literally 2:1 defeats against Hillary and Tr(oll)mp.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/kansas

So yes, the good citizens of Kansas are looking elsewhere for a solution to their problems and I can't see them backing anyone who wants to implement the GOP failed economic policies nationwide. That doesn't mean that they are going to embrace Hillary but it does mean that Tr(oll)mp cannot assume that he is going to win either. This could be potentially the largest stay at home state in 2016.

And yes, Stat is right, it is entirely possible that women in Kansas might decide that Hillary is the better choice for their children's education and decide to get out and vote for her breaking with the straight party ticket voting in the past. Granted that is speculation but the situation there is dire enough to make voters both angry and desperate and when that happens they tend to punish the party in power.

No, I cannot predict the exact outcome and no public figures like George Will have come out against Tr(oll)mp from Kansas that I am aware of. But Kansas is the canary in the coalmine when it comes to which state is most likely to "break ranks" IMO.

 

That may have been true 20 years ago, but Milo Yiannopoulos is probably more thhose things than Will is today

meaningless

He certainly is bitter enough to be, but in reality is is little more than a professional detractor.

Seems I just did.

 

Well sure, one can make the arguments that you have kind of sorta made, but the real question is whether anyone care whether an anonymous bellyacher on an anonymous forum is really going to make a difference, whereas George Will has wield great influence within Conservatism for a long, long time. To say othewise may make you feel good, and you have every right to be as detached from reality as you wish....

... but it won't change the facts.

 

George Will is a pretentious dolt and just because some anonymous bellyacher on an anonymous forum thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread and is the conservative power broker does not make it true. Trump has hired Jerry Falwell, Jr., and that guy has way more influence than Will could ever hope to have.

 

This is just the beginning of the GOP exodus from Trump, they know he is a bad choice and that they created him over the last 20 years. They know already they have lost this election and will end up fighting the woman instead of the Black man. It will be much harder this time however because of Congressional changes.

 

TREXODUS or TREXIT?

 

Trumphobia.

Trumphobia



/trumfobea/


noun

noun: tumphobia


intense or irrational dislike or fear of insane or unstable political candidates or being terrified of losing.

 

In the grand scheme of things, what George Will does or doesn't do means little to nothing. The thing is there are quite a few lifelong Republicans who do not support their 3 time Democrat, 3 time independent, once a reform party member, 3 year old or long Republican Party member as their nominee. One whose lifelong held political beliefs are more attuned to the Democratic Party than the Republican one. A few of those views he changed when he decided to run as a Republican.

How many of these lifelong Republicans will not support Trump is hard to say today. If the polls are accurate, Trump is getting between 75% at the low end and 85% at the high end of the Republican vote. The historical average is 90% with Romney receiving 93% in 2012. One also has to remember the Republican Party has the smaller base vote.

So the question is can Trump afford to lose somewhere between 5-15% of the normal Republican vote? So he has to make it up among independents. But as to date, he isn't doing that either. Trump is still playing to his base vote, his supporters. Romney lost 51-47, but Romney won the independent vote 51-48. So Trump must at least win around 55% of the independent just to make up for the smaller base vote. Not counting the Republican below historical average vote he is losing.

Today, averaging most polls independents are split 40-40 between Trump and Clinton. Independents like neither, hence the remaining vote being split among Johnson, Stein and other third party candidates.

If Trump hopes to win, he needs to forget about the George Wills and perhaps 15-20% of lifelong Republicans who won't support him. Political ideology aside, its a plain simple fact these lifelong Republicans do not view Trump as a true Republican. More as an egotistical opportunist. Trump needs to concentrate on independents who at the moment dislike both him and Clinton. Somehow he must convince enough Johnson supporters to jump on the Trump train. That will be a hard sell. He needs to leave Stein's supporters alone, Stein hurts Clinton, Johnson hurts Trump for the most part.

Can Trump do it. I doubt it. He has made too many enemies within the Republican Party. He has turned off too many independents. Without an indictment, you are probably looking at an 80% or more chance of having a President Hillary Clinton next year. George Will or no George Will.

 

Outstanding posting.

 

True, true... but Will is a visible example of Republicans who are leaving the party because of Trump. Some Republicans, like Ryan, give lip service to supporting Trump while poking him with a stick now and then, when they're not staying far away from him.

 

The loyal Republicans that I know are saying they will hold their nose and vote for Trump.. and others are just completely flummoxed that Dubya was followed by Palin and Palin was followed by Trump. They may not vote at all or they may hold their noses and vote for Hillary..

 

I haven't read very much of what Will writes about politics in his columns, but I know he was featured for his commentary in a few of Ken Burns's documentaries. I thought he was always insightful in what he said. But it doesn't even take an insightful man to see that Trump is just plain bad. I'm glad that prominent people are speaking out about him.

 

I have heard many times that Trump has brought in millions of new voters to the Republican Party. But this is countered with he also has caused millions of lifelong Republican voters to leave. So which is it or is it both. Gallup provides monthly party affiliation/identification numbers. To keep this short I will compare January 2016 with their June 2016 numbers.
January Republican Base 29%, Republican base and Republican leaning independents 44%
June Republican Base 27%, Republican base and Republican leaning independent 41%

Every month those figures go up and down. The lowest Republican base figure was 25% in April and the highest 30% in February. The lowest Republican base plus independents lean Republican was 40% in March and the highest 47% in May. May was when Trump cinched the nomination.

I think the number of new voters brought into the Republican Party by Trump and those lifelong Republicans who left the party because of Trump have been greatly exaggerated. I would call it a wash.