George Zimmerman's Girlfriend Wants to Drop Charges, 'Be With Him'

Whats wrong with you people...why would Martin's past have any bearing on what Zimmerman did that night. Zimmerman didn't know Martin's past. How could it be relevant?

The defense wanted to introduce Martin's past, if there even really was one, to legitimize Zimmerman's suspicions about black people. And all of you Zimmerman supporters will feel justified in your racist generalizations. I.E. Zimmerman had a reason to follow Martin, because he was black.

 

No one said it was martin who claimed they were found, the school police report made that claim. As found items with a statement by Martin he was holding it for a friend, then that was it., Nothing to be done by the school police.

 

The only one I am seeing blind here is you Hummingbird. For starters, claiming that he was holding it for a friend is a legitimate reason unless of course you have direct evidence to the contrary. Do you have direct evidence to the contrary that he was the one who took the items? Or are you just being insipid that he must be TM simply because he is black? Because of 2 or 3 suspicions?

Nothing what TM did in his past is relevant to the trial or to TM himself. This is the problem with wannabe's that think that the past is relevant just to prove their white nationalistic attitudes are correct. That is the myopia I see in your posts. You assume things that are either not true or worse, want them to be true without any facts or evidence whatsoever. We don't know if TM was asked or not and he was not going to tell if he was not asked. If he was not asked and did not say, then he did nothing wrong by giving up the property and the report not saying anything. That fact is incontrovertible and every attorney would have advised on such actions. To state otherwise is not only a moral offense, but a legal offense as well for we all know that if the situation was reversed where Hummingbird's child was in the same boat, we would all know that Hummingbird will want the best attorney and try to make the cops look like the bad guys.

Your kids are being taught improperly by an adolescent in a 40 plus year old body. Tis sad because every 10 year old Chinese, Japanese, and Korean kid will have more scruples than your kids will ever have, simply because their father has an extreme myopic viewpoint of the world, and life in general.

 

Seems to me I have nothing to admit while you do.

 

Martin refuse to account for his possession of the items which were later found to match the descriptions is stolen items stolen from a locale in the area in which he lived. That leads to a reasonable assumption he was in possession of stolen items at the least and was the theaf of those items which lends credence to Zimmerman's accounting of what he observed that night.

 

Who was the friend? If he was in legitimate possesion of it then the school nor the police had any right to confiscate it yet they did. Why didn't he demand it back so he could return it to "the friend" why didn't the friend go and demand it back? What do those actions lead a reasonable person to surmise?

 

I don't need you to admit anything, because I know the truth. You don't have the luxury of being inside my head, so you can only guess. Just like how the only one who knows for sure what happened the night Zimmerman killed Martin....is Zimmerman

You know Blues...I really do understand why you need to invent your own reality with me. And I don't resent you for it. It's all just because I give you such a sound thrashing everytime we debate, you need to discredit it somehow, and it's good that delusion makes you feel less inadequate.

 

First of all, I'm not a GZ supporter. I had said b/f that he wasn't very smart in how he handled the situation that night. Neither one of them were......

I know TM's background wasn't part of the trial, but that doesn't take away the FACT that he had a troubled one and was still living it, making bad, stupid choices since he was on his 3rd school suspension in 4-5 months. ANY kid, REGARDLESS of his COLOR, who keeps getting into trouble and apparently, doesn't have to face any consequences for his behavior will continue to make bad, stupid choices, like going back to confront his 'stalker'...... TM had told his gf he was close to home, but he didn't go home, did he?

I'm not talking about TM's race. YOU are. You keep bringing it up. You keep talking about GZ being a racist. I don't know if he is or not and neither do YOU and somewhere down the road, I heard GZ had tutored black kids. IF that's true, then it's not likely he's a racist, doncha think?

But that doesn't matter. What matters is that TM was close to home, as he told his gf who TESTIFIED to this during the trial, but he CHOSE NOT to get in the house and keep himself safe from his stalker.....

Why do you find this so confusing?

Good grief..... these type of teenagers, REGARDLESS OF THEIR COLOR will pull stupid (*)(*)(*)(*) like this b/c they think they're 'tough' and invincible.........

Do you have kids?

 

Stating that he held such property for his friend is not refusing to account for his possession of items. This is where you are wrong in every regard of law and evidence.
Even to make the presumption that was the intent of TM made by GZ goes beyond stupidity and common sense, unless of course you want to admit that making such claims is solely based on the evidence that the accused is black and nothing else.

 

The school has every right to confiscate such property and it is well within their discretion. Even if TM had a receipt, the school can confiscate said items. Confiscating said times is not the same thing as being charged. He was a minor and as a minor has very little rights when on school grounds.

BTW, you are making Inspector Gadget look like an absolute genius here.

 

The consequences for getting suspended, drug use, and burglary should not include death.

I never said Zimmerman was a racist. He followed Martin because Martin fit the description of recent burglars in the neighborhood. The people I think are racists are the ones who think all black people should be followed if they enter a white neighborhood.

If I were in Zimmerman's shoes, I would have stayed in the truck after I was told the police were on their way, no matter what any dispatcher or operator told me, and id Zimmerman would have done that, they both would wave woken up to a better day after that night.

 

the problem is that kids today get suspended for even the smallest of infractions with schools being used to house kids more like animals than human beings. 20, 30, or even 40 years ago, the stuff that most kids getting suspended today would have been a trip to the principle's office and detention for a day or two. The point is that you are making the suspensions way too antagonistic than what they really are. That being said, yes, being suspended for something is consequential and parents need to pay more attention, but that also does not mean that "these types of teenagers" will eventually grow up to become the next serial killer.

Subconsciously you are when you make statements like "these types of teenagers" and the image you are trying to portray TM being on a post by post basis.

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But TM still had a right to defend himself under Florida law. To state otherwise goes back to the above post that you are talking about his race per se.

I would have asked you the same question. Whether you have kids or not is moot in this debate. But on the record, I have two. I also have three godchildren as well. That being said, the fact is that TM was not acting suspiciously. you wouldn't know and definitely neither did GZ. know how a person acts suspiciously unless you are willing to use race, clothing

 

It is exactly that and at trial would be held as evidence he was in illegal possession of it.

 

Only if they believed he was in illegal possession of it, other than that you have a RIGHT to your property and it cannot be taken from you. On what basis did they confiscate it?

Nope, not unless they have reasonable suspicion they are stolen.

And you snarky comments make you look foolish just as they have in the past when your baseless assertions went down the toilet at trial. You might considered refraining.

 

Oh god no!!! Why god why??
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/12/shellie-zimmerman-hit-drunk-driver-george-zimmerman/

 

That sounds dirty....

 

To answer your psychobabble..... and btw, I don't get into the race card (*)(*)(*)(*) - kids are kids, regardless of their race and it was 3 school suspensions within 4-5 months.....

I raised one of those 2-legged male primates and I will tell you this....

If my teenage son had been suspended from school for bad behavior, I would have been irate and concerned and there would have been consequences, plus really talking to him to get to the problem of why.

The 2nd suspension, I would have been really worried and would have worked w/the school and my kid to get to the core of HIS problem The 3rd suspension, I would have been worried SICK, gotten us into counseling to get to the core of the problem and certainly all his privileges and freedom would have been put on hold until I saw improvement in his behavior and he learned his lesson that his bad behavior would not be tolerated.... and whatever problems existed were resolved thru counseling and a better understanding b/t he & I.....

If silver wedding bands, diamond earrings, etc were found in my kid's backpack, who was having behavioral problems and he lamely said he was 'holding it for a friend' and he didn't want to reveal the friend's name..... b/c why?!. Well, the only thing I can say is just how STUPID can a parent be to accept that as a legit 'explanation'? Particularly from a teen son who was always getting into trouble? And I also would have told him I wanted to meet the owner of the jewelry. Stuff like that you don't just sit on your hands and dismiss it.....

I have a question for you and give it some serious tho't... do you really believe a person, even a teenager who did rightfully own silver wedding bands, diamond earrings, would rather have his/her 12 pieces of jewelry carted around in someone else's backpack, which could be stolen or lost, rather than in the safety of their own home where it could be well hidden to prevent theft? Now why would the legit owner of that jewelry be that stupid?

Another thing, there's no way in hell I would have allowed my teenage son to take on the appearance, mannerisms and language of a thug. That wouldn't have happened anymore than I would have allowed my 2 girls to wear heavy, thick make-up and skin-tight, revealing clothes......NO.

My kids heard the word "NO" often enuf while they were growing up and today I have 3 very respectful, loving adult kids, whom I'm very proud of, close relationship w/the 3, and they certainly do have scruples.... and common sense, since I also taught them that.......

Kinda judgmental, are you?

 

Don't go throwing to many logical, rational questions at them....... it only leaves them confused.

 

Your posts have never represented reason, so you are not a credible expert on what a reasonable person would do.

You think it's reasonable to shoot unarmed people if you're simply scared.

 

So seriously, I could not walk up to you and slam you in the face with my fist and if the cops came I would get let off because a hand is not a weapon?

 

My childhood and parental status have no bearing on this discussion. A teenager can distinguish right from wrong. I will still hold Zimmerman to a greater standard because he initiated the whole event and handled it poorly, IMO, and he is the adult.

I have nothing against Cindy Sheehan. The woman lost her son in a war and decided to become an activist, as a result. Actually, "Mrs. Martin" as we've been calling her is Sabrina Fulton. I believe she tried to help her son when she sent him to live with his father to provide him with guidance. I would bet that his father had serious discussions with him about getting back on track. For all we know, he could have been grounded at some point for the suspensions, by either parent. It didn't look like he went out to start an altercation with anyone on the night of his death.

However, he had to make a decision when he was being followed by a potentially dangerous person.. He certainly wouldn't have wanted to direct the ominous stranger to his house, so going home wouldn't have seemed like a good idea, at all, unless he could be sure that he had evaded the strange adult.

Some of you have said that Trayvon "lost" his pursuer or that Zimmerman left. I don't know if that's the case but if it was then Trayvon should have gone home. I wish that Trayvon had not been put in what must have seemed like a fight or flight situation.

It's a shame that we don't have Trayvon's account of that evenings events, other than perhaps disparate recordings and accounts from his female friend.

 

I am being judgmental? Are you daft?

The only one I see being judgmental is you, Hummoingbird.

Well, let's see, first you state

My question to you is, what the hell do you mean appearance? Warring a hoodie? Wearing their pants down to their knees? Please describe in detail, exacting detail, the appearance of a "thug?" Any of the latest hip hop fashions? I will guarantee that the colors your son wears are associated, to one degree or another with a gang member, aka thug., However, what do you call a thug who wears $1500 Armani suits to work? Or who wear polo shirts on a daily basis.

It is clear you have already demonstrated the judgmentalism on how a person looks and calling them thugs when in fact you know nothing about the culture, lifestyle, speaking, etc.

Then you state mannerisms and language of a thug? Again, what the hell does that mean? Do you honestly think that teenagers are going to speak the Queen's English at such an early age? Or did you ever notice how your son may talk to his other friends at such a young age. We now have urban speak with LOL, RLMAO, OMG, and so forth that is frequently on the internet. Do you think they are being thugs? The hip hop talks and raps are not that of a thug life, but a specific sub culture that are in many ways similar to New Orleans and Harlem Jazz of the 1920's and 1930's. Or that of teenagers who were into Rock n Roll of the 1950's and 1960's, or in the peace movement in the 1960's and 1970's. Somehow I think you will find those teenagers "thugs.

You have given a very clear image of what you think a thug looks like solely based on a sub cutlute you know nothing about and clearly have issues with that sub culture. And this shows just how judgemental you are on this, without you knowing it consciously.


So, let's get back to tM shall we. He was suspended three times, but that does not mean he was a "thug in training" here or simply a "thug.". That little imagery you are trying to portray is what is getting you in trouble with me because the reality is that none of us know what exactly was transcribed that day. The report does not state, one way or the other, what specific questions were asked. You, along with others, are making way too many assumptions and being judgmental on what you think was said or not said. And that is the saddest truth of all. YOu may have thought you raised your kids properly, but in fact, they will exhibit the same type of intolerance you are showing right now.

You state that you would have been livid if your son was on his second suspeinsion. Those are fine words by a man who never went through that ordeal. So, I will simply chalk that up to the usual chest beating routine.

So, to answer your question, I would tell my son to do three things. Obey the police officer commands and answer his questions promptly. Give up, without any hesitation, any property that they are questioning. And never provide any additional information than what the officer asks. It would not matter

That advice would include his teachers, his principles, security guards at the school, etc. Although this has not happened to my son, it did happen to my second godchicd who was suspended for six months and was holding something for a friend.

But that is not always how it happens in life and my instance with my godchild is that one instance.

YOu see Hummingbird, in the real life, most kids are scared when confronted by adults, including police officers. It is not because they done something wrong, it is simply a mindset in our society that if a police officer detains you, then you must have done something wrong. In that mentality, kids will do stupid stuff, including lying, But in our society, even our kids, including yours or a crack cocaine dealer you may suspect at the end of the street, are innocent until proven guilty, even in a court of opinion. Yet you do not want it that way for others whom you perceive either as inferior, substandard, or worse, not even human. And yes, I have seen your type before in my life and in my former profession.

 

What facts? You mean the facts that the question was never asked in the first place? or that the answer was never given because the question was never asked? Are school police officers trained defectives?

 

YOu are cpmpletely wrong on this.

http://education-law.lawyers.com/school-law/Students-Have-Privacy-Rights-Under-the-Fourth-Amendment.html

Student rights on school property are not protected in the same manner as an adult, as the link clearly indicates. Thus this notion, " you have a RIGHT to your property and it cannot be taken from you." is simply not true when it comes to minors on school property. The Supreme Court is clear on this.

YOu are so wrong on this, it is not funny to me anymore and it has been shown you still have no understanding of the law. So sad. .

 

You are presuming facts not in evidence here and the police officer who took the statement did not think anything of it, as indicated in said police report.