George Zimmmerman, Murder 2 and a "Depraved Mind"

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  1. Hairytic

    Hairytic New Member

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    I would have picked K Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,
     
  2. Hairytic

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    So, your saying you knew Martin personally?
     
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    Maybe she was referring to George's skinned up head.
     
  4. Hairytic

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    That is a good point.
     
  5. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From the time he started running to when he ended up with Zimmerman was between 2 to 2 1/2 minutes. For anyone that can run, it was only 30 seconds to his father'd doorstep and according to his GF's testimony (if she is credible) he ended up by his fathers place. So that begs the question why he ended up back where Zimmerman was at the other end of the walk.
     
  6. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not really. There were numerous incidents of theft in the neighborhood and as neighborhood watch he would have to make these kind of choices based on the reality of the neighborhood. That is why he called 911 to check him out. Who better to call than the police in a case where theft was rampant.
     
  7. Hoosier8

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    Naw, she has to load it up with racial overtones because after all, you know you cannot trust those Mexicans. :cool:
     
  8. Sadanie

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    Is there any proof that Zimmerman was "at the other end of the walk?" Except for his own statement, obviously!

    There is a theory that says that Zimmerman actually CUT OFF Martin's walk toward his home by going to the passthrough SOUTH of the T junction, and walking back up. .

    And, again, in terms of the walk Martin did from the 7/11, once he turned the corner into the alleyway, he was "almost home."

    By the way, Zimmerman revised his statement that Martin started running. When pushed to describe how fast the kid was running, he went down to a mere "skipping" and "fast walk!" So. . .that too may be put on Zimmerman's "changing statements!"
     
  9. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And Zimmerman had 20 seconds to get back to his car after being advised not to follow. . .what's your point?

    I thought you guys feel that it is a free world, and that Zimmerman had the right to walk in the dark, following Trayvon?

    Well, Trayvon had the right to walk leisurely in the dark while talking to his girlfriend on the phone. NO CRIME THERE!
     
  10. Hairytic

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    Which witnesses saw Martin attack Zimmerman?
     
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    Wasn't GZ shaving his head and wearing a goatee on 2/26/12?
     
  12. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He would have had to cut it off for over 2 minutes before they got down on it. In the scheme of things, that is a long time.
     
  13. JohnnyMo

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    IMO, the State will prove that George's behavior, prior to the confrontation, was a contributing factor in Martin's death and that George's use of deadly force was not reasonable given consideration to all of the circumstances.
     
  14. Hoosier8

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    Didn't someone say TM was afraid? Isn't that part of the defense?

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    By boss did at that time also. A balding Cajun, I doubt that he is a "skin head".
     
  15. Alfalfa

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    As I said, it was where he hid after hearing Z's car door open. As for DD's comment about him being "close" to the Green residence, considering he started out at the 7-11 he was, actually, quite close to the Green residence.

    Any more for me to swat out of the park?
     
  16. Sadanie

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    Martin was "concerned' about being followed. . .but he thought he had lost the old creepy guy. . .until he came face to face with him. . .and asked him why he was following him. . .and instead of answering in a civl manner, identifying himself, and asking if he could help Martin find an address, Zimmerman chose to bad mouth him. . .then is when Martin become scared, and OBVIOUSLY, for good reasons!

    By the way, I don't think Zimmerman is a skin head either, but he could sure have looked like one in the dark, while following (by car and on foot) a young Black guy!
     
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    You make good points but I don't think the jury will see that as leaping the "depraved" bar.

    Just my opinion.
     
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    I don't find that theory credible.
     
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    Explain please.
     
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    I'm sure the Pross will make that argument, a skinhead or an hispanic gang member.
     
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    Z was fibbing but he was also concerned about what a witness might have seen and was more interested in plausible deniability rather then contradiction. For example "I went for my phone" could easily be "mistaken" by a resident who thought he reached for his gun.

    It would have been too easy for a resident to look at the window and see him walking north up the path and blowing his "version" out of the water. Z may be dumb hut he ain't stoopid. He carefully contructed his story to leave him pit stops and easy outs.

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    Z was fibbing but he was also concerned about what a witness might have seen and was more interested in plausible deniability rather then contradiction. For example "I went for my phone" could easily be "mistaken" by a resident who thought he reached for his gun.

    It would have been too easy for a resident to look at the window and see him walking north up the path and blowing his "version" out of the water. Z may be dumb hut he ain't stoopid. He carefully contructed his story to leave him pit stops and easy outs.
     
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    LOL, when he started talking to his GF he was already in the complex.

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    Seeing how TM had plenty of time to run away from Z, how did he end up confronting him?
     
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    Cell phone records show TM called DD for the first time one minute after leaving the 7-11.

    Any more mistruths you want to shoot out your arse?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From the time TM runs from Z in the complex to the time he confronts Z is still between 2 and 2 1/2 minutes. I does not matter when TM starts to talk to his GF on the phone.
     
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    So, TM hid for 2:15.

    I don't get your point.
     

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