Germans, Europe's Las Line Of Defense, Are Being Played By Anglo-Americans:

The World from Berlin: 'There Is No American Ratings Conspiracy'

Only Conservative outlets like the Financial Times Deutschland or Die Welt get a say -- and they both get their ideological marching orders from London and Washington anyways. The only ones that had something useful to say was the center-left Süddeutsche Zeitung. It is important that Germans realize what these Anglo-Americans are doing:

The Anglo-Americans will do everything in their power to save their own sorry-asses and in the process they will throw Germany under the bus when a good timing should arise -- they are just trying to suprise y'all.

Rating Agency Downgrades: 'Anglo-American Interests' and the Currency War Myth

A Commentary by Stefan Kaiser

In his piece, Mr. Kaiser fails to address his points and outline, why in his view, it is nonsense. He's just behaving like a bull in a china shop...

Not to mention...

Enough said...

 

What has the UK got to do with this? These credit rating agencies are American.

It was Germany and France who broke the Euro rules in allowing their borrowing to go about the EU set limit.

It was Euro countries who failed to implement a currency without the correct checks, balances and PENALTIES! Not the UK, not the US.

On the whole I thinjk the credit rating agencies are in bed with large investment banks, they caused this meltdown, but blaming the UK now is disingenuous and typical of you Jap.

 

Leffe, I have a daring question for you: what the hell is wrong with you?

I'm asking, since it clearly doesn't matter what I say or what factual evidence I provide.

Key sentences in the above partial quote is:

Most important concept in above quotation:

Anglo-saxon economic and financial model?

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More: Anglo-Saxon economy

As contradicted by the far more superior "Continental Model" or Rhineland model: very interesting:

More: Rhine capitalism

I'm sure that some others posters when they notice this thread -- my friend Heroclitus comes to mind -- will swoop in and call me all sorts of nasty names.

 

Anyways, what I'm saying is that an USA-UK axis, may it be ideoligcal, or clearly orchestrated (?), has run the West in the ground.

Thanks.*

*Not!

 

Consider this...

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I'm saying that Germans need to realize that the Anglo-Americans are nothing more than vultures that will, if they get the chance, pluck them bold and make them fall into chaos with complete impoverishment as a result.

They ought be awair that the true friends they have, that will stand next to them, whatever the problem, are the French, the Spaniards, the Italians, the Dutch, the Portuguese, the Greeks, the Czech, the Swedes, the Danish, the Fins, the Belgians, the Austrians, etc.

But not the English.

And certainly not the Americans.

We are getting closer to a window of opportunity to to consolidate the EU as it was intented by our Founding Fathers (mainly France though, Germany just wanted to be reabilitated): to be truely independent and stand up against the Americans, the Russians, the Chinese and the Indians.

 

From the OP:

One of those three agencies is French owned. Blaming the eurozone's problems on the "Anglo Saxons" is childish.

 

Yeah, the subsidiary known as "Fitch Group" is really French...

Not.

 

In your Wiki cut and paste, you neglected to include the very first line from the Fitch entry ...

"The Fitch Group is a majority-owned subsidiary of FIMALAC, headquartered in Paris. Fitch Ratings and Fitch Solutions are part of the Fitch Group."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitch_Group

From the Wiki "FIMLAC" page

FIMALAC was created by Marc Ladreit de Lacharrière in 1991.[4] He serves as the CEO,[3] and holds 100% of the shares of the FIMALAC Group, that holds ~80% of FIMALAC.[5] It is headquartered in Paris.[1][2][3] It operates in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, France and other members of the European Union, Asia, and South America.[1]

Fitch is French owned.

 

LOL.

It's pretty clear to everyone that the Fitch Group isn't exactly a bastion of Frenchness...

 

Stop the nonsense already, Tamora.

Stop your attempts of trying to keep everyone's eyes of the ball.

Following your logic, it would be the same as to suggest that "Land Rover" and "Jaguar Cars" are distinctive Indian brands.

Don't think so...

 

Everyone's eyes can stay on the ball. European politicians and anyone else blaming the "Anglo Saxons" are being childish. Fitch is French owned. Get over it.

Jaguar Landrover is owned by the Tata Group which is Indian owned with multinational interests, however much they like to play on the British connection.

 

Correction.

Still, blaming "Anglo Americans" is childish.

 

Yup, its all America's fault.

It's a giant conspiracy to destroy European Social Democracy and make the world safe for America's warmongering and immoral banking practices to take over the globe!

Muhahahahahahahahaha!

Geez Janpor.. you should calm down and enjoy your vassalage to American financial might. Hateful little Belgian.

It truly is hillarious watching stuck up pissants in tiny little countries having their superiority complex identities crumble before my very eyes. Are you enjoying European perestroika? I am!

 

It's not a conspiracy in the sense of "tin foil hat".

BTW -- if you would have read any articles as I provided in the OP, who are supportive for your argument, you would know by now that it isn't just me -- but folks way up to the highest level.

The idea that a German magazine has two articles on it in her English-section might tell you something too...

Anyways, I think it is clear for all to see what the broke and "producing-nothing" Anglo-Americans are trying to do...

You know,... I'm not that old, but even I remember the gloating attitude of Anglo-Americans in the mid-2000's.

In English class, our lame teacher (who worked in the USA before for about 10 years), told us that he wanted to include his students in providing learning and study martial in the form of articles, documentries, etc. on the "English-speaking world". Anyways, I'm the kind of guy who becomes way enthuasiastic so I started to give'm articles and articles. He didn't use any of them! Instead he played some grammophone disques with songs about the "British Empire" from the 1910's or something. Anyways,... one of the articles was about from The Economist (= Conservative outlet) basically stating that Germany had been reduced to "a fallen giant", that is was weak, a former shadow of herself -- compare that with shining Great Britain, was the tune of the article. What a joke if I think about it now.

 

No, the problem is you have an overinflated sense of superiority of the Gaullic civilization over everyone else on the planet and you're pissed off because the Anglo world and the German world have been dominating your pissant little Gaulic society for hundreds of years.

I've read some "history" books written by Gaulic scholars and it is so laughably Franco-centric as to completely destroy any credibility of the author.

Like anyone outside of Franco-Belgian lands is going to believe that the heart of Western Civilization resides in the ridiculously inept Gaulic culture. You people haven't put up a decent leader since Charlemagne.

 

Uhm,...

I'm Flemish -- my mother language is Dutch, which is considered to stand between English and German.

If I need to identify with some sort of culture, I'd identify as Germanic. I'm sure if any Francophone Belgian reads this they'll think "collaborator".

But that's despite the entire point.

If you should have studied the history of the EU, you ought to know that it was always intended, in the beginning, as a project to withstand the "bi-polar world". We, under French political leadership, refused to be squeezed between the two big powers that occuppied the European continent for about half a century. Germany accepted, and still accepts, to some degree, the leading political role of France in the scope of European affairs.

Strange you missed this while reading some "Francophone history books" (as if!).

Consider that the "Founding Six" were: Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, Italy and (West-) Germany. As you see the two "enemies" of WWII were incorporated at the beginning.

Just for fun, and not at all important, Belgium has an excellent track-record of providing the most excellent and capable statemen and leaders. We are well appreciated.

However, times have changed -- and the Atlantic Alliance seems to mean nothing anymore for the Amero's. We will adapt to that reality sooner than you might think, with the election of François Hollande so we rid ourselves of Sarkozy who stands with one foot in America, and the other in Europe. Thanks, but no thanks. Americans have proved themselves very bad allies.

And, btw, you can't say we, as Europeans, haven't warned for this day.

From a previous thread of mine:

Europe Let Down by the USA: Why Germany Needs Europe. (Interesting stuff!)

Let Down by the USA: Why Germany Needs Europe

By Dirk Kurbjuweit

More via the links I provided (thread or article).

 

BTW -- y'all might not believe this...

But, when I consider myself in relation with my political friends of my generation, I'm the only one who could be considered a watered-down version of an Atlanticis (and thus pro-American).

When considering the UK,... well, I'm a bit on the negative side... but that's just because I think it is just such a great country with a splendid people. I just can not understand, and will never understand, how a European country can have it so wrong. This is something fundamental for me, so I get rather worked up about it pretty fast. And pretty intense. During a discussion once, , I once created an enormous drama... by throwing plastic cups (those colourful ones from IKEA) to the "stage". But I was forgiven, afterall -- we were all political friends at the time...

 

Hi, Janpor, I like your posts. You display knowledge of the subject matter.
I would like to leave you with a piece of brilliant writing from an American who has captured the situation in Europe in one sweeping little essay.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/285767/hundred-years-german-war-victor-davis-hanson

 

You suggest you are Canadian . It's nice you like what you call , "brilliant writing" .
But unless you have spent a large part of your life in "Europe " , how on earth would you know whether he has captured the situation ?
I thought it was simplistic and cliche ridden and a typical type of glib article that middle class tossers read .

 

You americans, certainlly have some history problems. We don't live in a bipolar world anymore. The USSR is gone and the EU has overpassed the USA's economy a long time ago.

By the way, do you know what the perestroika was?

 

Well, I am Canadian and I have also spent a large part ( = my youth) in Germany.

Apparently, he has not captured the situation and his article is cliche-ridden - just like you say.
I ran his article by some guys in a German forum and got the same answer you are giving me.

I think I have fallen for a butterfly!

Still, he is a terrific writer, I admire his way with words and style.
Perhaps I was smitten with his description of Angela Merkel... "not a shot fired".

Well, true is also that the Germans are bailing out just about everyone in Europe.

So, please, give me half a credit for not being totally naive and gullible... only a little bit.

P.S.
In the meantime I have also checked up on his life and political standing. He is a Neo-Conservative; Bush and Rumsfeld admirer; war supporter and Obama disliker.

 

Hey Jazz,...

Sorry but I thought that article sounded pretty dated too. It completely missed a certain "European spirit". But I suppose that is expected with an article from the National Review -- it basically is an über-Conservative outlet.

 

Also,...

Raymondo has a foul mouth and isn't to be taken that serious...

 

Germany, which, in fact, still occupied by U.S. troops.
What do the 75 000 American soldiers in Germany, where no one threatens?
Soviet tanks in the GDR, Poland, Czech and other European countries do not have 20 years, and a powerful group of United States troops still in Germany.
After WW2 Germany and the U.S. signed a secret agreement, sharply limiting the German national sovereignty - write about it in his memoirs, former leaders of the German secret service.
And the question of holding a German independent financial and economic policy rather controversial.

Initially free of U.S. troops.