Germany’s rich put their children in special ‘migrant free’ day care centre

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  1. VotreAltesse

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    How many percent westerners are actually involved in that story ? Most of us know that our politician are rotten and the rest is naive. So yes, it's very sad, but still we can't do a lot of things. Nobody in this world have the magic formula to make corruption disappear. Corruption is everywhere, in some countries it's an obvious one. In western world it's more elaborated.
     
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    Of course is the majority of casual Westerner not involved ... but how many of them give simply a crap about what companies like Shell, BP, Nestle and many more do in the so called third world and won't know about?
    They want to have cheap oil to have cheap fuel ... cheap soja beans and peanuts etc. and hell about from where they are coming and what evil happened there due to this.

    So arrogance is also given ... and sometimes hit these arrogant people back like a boomerang!

    Look into the ghettos of most of our cities, for example in France. All the North African people there, many having FFrench citizenship and the huge problems, violance and crime rate there. All their own guilt? No.... it is also their own guilt, but it is also the same arrogance of the same people as above!
     
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    A part of the problem is laxism. Leftist don't want to build more prisons to put out of picture the bad elements. Furthermore, a lot of people come from countries with rather high criminality. What did people thought ? That the ground made people become criminal ? It's clearly not the case.

    Even if we care. What do you think we can do ? Vote differently during the next election ? That kind of things involve people of different partis and in a concrete way most politician have much less power than shell. So, yes, maybe there is a solution, somewhere, but right now, multinational are the most powerfull entities of this world.

    Most people have an average IQ, so they can treat only a very limited number of informations. And, I know in my case my IQ, even with a high IQ, you still stay ignorant of most things which happened in this world. Very few people have IQ above mine. It doesn't mean that I'm more right or that I'm automatically more aknowledged, but clearly I have better abilities to treat informations than the common of people.
    Maybe you have an higher IQ than mine, it's extremly possible, and it's not my point anyway. My point is simple, we can treat a very limited number of informations. We don't have an unlimited attention, not an unlimited memory, westerners aren't alimighty god. Just helping your neighbour is sometimes a struggle.
    There is a lot of unfair things in this world who are commited by governments, and western governments because they're extremly mighty participate as much as they're powerfull in those unfair things. There is a lot of of things unfair commited by international companies.

    About France, I think that something simple can be concluded from the western countries, especially, France, UK, Belgium. Massive migration of people of a different ethnic group or religious group just cause wide societal disasters and failed societies. It's simply doesn't work.
     
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    It's pretty funny actually, here in California there are a couple guys who are regularly finding "Women's Only Groups" and successfully suing the crap out of them.

    While I absolutely hate the practice, I find it hilarious that the tactic that was used for so long by Feminists and Progressives is being used against them to their chagrin.

    Spoke on a reddit Feminism forum and their response was:

    "We should be allowed because we are under the thumb of the Patriarchy and deserve to have benefits over men."

    Equality is great when you get to decide what makes what equal.
     
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    Which countries are you talking about and how specifically was "The West" largely to blame?

    Are you talking about Syria? Do you then mean the Sykes Picot Agreement?

    Lastly I am curious what arbitrary point in history you are setting as "normal" before you feel the West came in and changed everything to the detriment of those that lived there.
     
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    Ever heard of the Ottoman Empire?
    Or in the Indian Empire?
    Or the great Persian Empire?
    How about the Roman Empire?
    ... guess they were all racist.
     
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    There's two types of justice.

    Court of justice.
    And spirit of justice.

    If these people go around the hundreds of possible law loopholes, they'll not escape the spirit of justice. Believe me on that.

    Putting your child in a private school or a kindergarten while other middle-classed kids of normal parents get shanked — wow, this is so not cool.

    Not cool.

    Karma awaits.
     
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    Smacks of envy.
     
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    You're clueless. I was in a private school. But I connect to the middle class. Relax.
     
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    As far as whatever "middle class" is in Bulgaria... LOL
     
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    Why do you hate teachers unions?
     
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    Karma for the rich sounds like envy.
    Go to South Sudan - they have one of the highest levels of income equality around.
    North Korea is pretty equal, too.
     
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    At least they were ... ever thought about that they depressed minorites too and / or made them to be slaves, eh?
    If you want to bttle with me in history, please learn first facts... will prevent you to get your post back like a boomerang as now!
     
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    Really and seriously now?
    Look at a map of Africa - a continent from which majority of refugees come from - and you have your answer ... and curious is that you deny the mess created by the European colony powers in that continent. The absolutely straight, with a ruler drawn on the map border courses are of course completely natural and do not share cultural communities, or do not throw 2 or more foreign African cultures together in a state, etc. ... sure!
     
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    No. Someone saying Karma for the rich is "envy" – is a Liberal that never had money, but will do anything to have five pennies, even if he has to go against his own people and country. People like that have no moral values and in real life will never have money. The paradox of life.
     
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    Imagine.
    Africa was never colonized (though Africa colonized the world)
    But Africa was given literature, vaccines, technology etc..
    What would Africa look like?

    Dictatorships and Tribal warfare

    this would shape the continent, leading to oppression, genocide,
    racism, refugees, starvation. Pretty much what we have today.
    My own ancestors, the Bantu, invaded Sth Africa. What kept that
    nation going was the arrival of the Dutch and English. In maybe a
    generation or two these two influences might be completely gone
    (ie driving out white famers, white industry etc..) and Sth Africa
    will revert to our Bantu days - tribe vs tribe.

    Guess who the Left will blame it on?
     
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    I would say that the so-called integration has largely failed.
    Integration is not a one-way street, but both sides - immigrants and new homeland - have to do something to make it work ... and here both sides have ultimately failed at different and interconnected levels.

    An immigrant has to undeniably submit to the rules, values and laws of the new home without if and when and to obey them. Of course, he also has to learn the language of the new home!
    No one with a little brain can expect an immigrant to learn the new language quickly and perfectly! But it can not be ... which is also often the case ... that immigrants still can not get along after 10 years to get along in everyday life and that their children go to kindergarten for the first time without a single word of the language of the country to be able to, in which they are born!
    No one expects or even earnestly demands that an immigrant give up his old cultural identity, including religion, in the new homeland. But it can not be that immigrants do not submit to the rules and laws of the new homeland because of their origins with all the bad things that happen ans annoy us!

    However, there is also the point of discrimination against immigrants, which in turn has negative reactions on their side.

    If Francois Giraux and Mustafa Ben Hadchi have the same good A + grade or the latter is even better ... and Mustafa Ben Hadchi is not taken because of his name and / or maybe because of the problematic district where he lives, then that is ultimately something that you can call racism!
     
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    Seriously?
    You are well aware that in Europe, we really did have all this in exactly the same way as you would here for Africa?
    What makes you sure that they did not get the curve to a positive development as well as Europe?
     
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    There were few problems of languages in France, but mostly cultural and values. Arabs and euros have very different values. Furthermore most native speaker never asked for a massive immigration and felt invaded and so felt or feel to thosep eople they never asked for.

    I'm for people to get a local name when they arrive in a country. For instance Mazarin changed their name when they arrived in France, from Mazarini or Mazarin. It's maybe only a i but it says a lot;
     
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    But wjhy shall someone change his name please? I see no reason for this ... even it happened out of other reasons in my country too sometimes. Polish people ... who came to us since 150 years ... have sometimes as last name the name of a weekday, for example Friday. Firday in Polish is piątek what is spelled piontek. So they are now written as last name Piontek.
     
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    There was no industrial revolution or enlightenment anywhere except Europe,
    and even then, only in specific locations in Europe.
    That is not the point. The "problem" with Africa today include:
    Western welfare
    Exploding populations due to Western medicine
    Western technology (ie AK47's)
     
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    No, it is not common at all in Europe. Most parents put their kids in regular day-care which cost $150 a month in Germany, and less in other countries. If money is of no concern, you can put your kids to a special day-care, but I would think it is not common at all, and having lived in Europe, I never even heard of them.
     
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    Corrcet, but you know why there was no enlightment and industrial revolution aside Europe?
    What was most of the rest of the world at the time when this happened? Colony of European powers or part of the Ottoman Empire! So best chances to have this too, eh?

    But you are correct, that we do our best with wrong welfare and donations too which enter mostly the pockets of the dictators and not those who needs it. In short: We have our nose too deep in their things in there again and mingle with us instead of keeping us completely out!
    However, I do not really know now whether you are seriously demanding forced birth control and withdrawal of western medicine so that people die enough to be less?
     
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    It's a matter of integration. How do you hope to become a full part of a country when your name itself show you as a stranger ? We're not the USA, we have thousands of years, maybe it's good for the USA, but it's not true for every country.
    It's seems logical for me that if I would like to settle in an arabic country, I would have to pick an arabic name, the same for china.
     

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