Germany forges a united vote against USA in UN meeting at Thursday

In the shorter term, but there's some dirt Canadians won't eat.

Canada has the second most raw materials in the world and just 36m people. There are lots of places to buy manufactured goods.

 

Like the EU where Canada just signed a free trade agreement.

 

A different issue. The U.S. is not the Palestinians' friend.

 

Isreali's invaded Palestine circa 1945. Prior to this they were in Europe. Having a **** time.

It is of course unfair to describe this as an invasion, it was more of a mass migration.
Equally of course it is unfair to describe Palestine as Israel at that time, Isreal was only a word in a book back then.
And they were not Israeli's at that time either. Only migrant jews.


I expect North Koreans learn much the same thing about Israeli's in school as Israeli's learn about North Koreans in school.
They may have being a rogue state in common with each other but I highly doubt they say nice things of each other, if indeed they say anything at all.

 

So...you're saying all Jews in Israel came from Europe in 1945?

 

To start with, the vast bulk of them came from Europe at that time.
The critical mass.

By the time I started teaching Israeli schools the immigrant population was up to 4 million.
Then came the fall of the Soviet Union and there was a second mass migration. Population then doubled to 8 million.
I used to know a percentage of Isreali's on first name terms, these days I don't.

Israel still actively recruits Jewish migrants to this day. It forms the basis of their population which is still growing.

They didn't... all come from Egypt with Moses. If that's what you were alluding.
They aren't predominantly indigenous to the region. They were born elsewhere.

 

And when did the bulk of Arabs come to Palestine?

 

No idea. Sorry.

Since that time Palestinians have been more famous for emmigration into other arab countries. Where they caused all the usual sorts of problems mass migrations do.

This being a significant factor in Arab league wars against Israel.

It's all been one giant domino effect in my eyes. It starts with the persecution of the jews in Europe and knocks on and on from there.
As far as I can tell there has always been Christian/Jewish/Muslim tensions around Jerusalem, but the scale/amplitude of the current problem begins with the European mass migration in the 20th century.

 

Well, I think that's a question that requires an answer if one wants to understand the Israel-Palestine conflict and its larger Middle Eastern context.

Another question that requires an answer is why are the Oriental Jews and their presence in the region ignored in discussions about Jewish immigration to Palestine.

Everybody is looking at European Jews only. Why?

 

Feel free to answer it, it certainly is a question that occured to me when I wrote that. Not one however I am currently equiped to address.

Everybody is looking at the European jews because they are the ones that came in overwhelming, ungeographically digestable numbers.
That's when the **** hit the fan. Take them out of the equation and there is no significant issue in that region.
Before that event violence was pretty much limited to minor Jewish terrorism against the British.

Also if I dared to be judgemental, they seem hell bent on antagonising the issue by inviting more and more to join them, not part of any solution to a problem that is expressly of their making.

In my opinion there isn't an acceptable solution. Only an ongoing mess. Glad not to be a part of it.

 

No.

Mahmoud Abbas - known as our moderate peace partner Abu Mazen - was born in Safed, a town that is now in Israel. In just one minute, he demolishes himself two of the most pervasive anti-Israel narratives, one of them being that only Jews were violent:

 

Not interested sorry. I don't give a **** about "anti" or "pro" Isreali narratives.
I go deaf.
Not my problem mate. Not my war.

This arab guy is right if he says that in Palestine prior to 1948 no one was killing Jews except perhaps the British police..

To compare violence in Palestine pre 1948 with what there is today is to misrepresent the scale of barbarity and the magnitude of it. Not even comparable. Not apples and oranges so much as grapes and watermelon plantations.

The place has gone to ****.

Blame the Jews, blame Hitler. Blame the arabs. I really don't care.
Take responsibility for it if you are willing to fix it. Pass the blame if you are not going to.

 

I think evrything indicates our government considers that.

Germany currently holds 2000 tons Plutonium. The 2nd largest amount in the world. Add the fact that Germany produces evry single component you need for nukes and even hydrogen bombs including delivery systems on our subs and fighter jets.

Its a dishonest behavior of our leadership. Its not openly communicated. Japan uses the same method.

How can we stand at UN and blame others for their nuclear weapon programs, when we have one at much larger scale?

 

The dilemma, of course, is that it takes money to "buy manufactured goods". When an economy falters or trade is interrupted, it causes problems. Just saying to switch sources is not always instantaneous or feasible.

 

Canada and Germany are trying to lead by example. Japan, too.

[Putting on my Canadian hat…] Canada was part of the Manhattan Project and has chosen not to become a nuclear power for 72 years. They have promoted peace and nonproliferation. Good on them.

We all have the ability to produce nuclear weapons but have not done so. It may be that at some point we all will have to change our position.

 

The switch wouldn't be instantaneous, but is entirely feasible. Canada would at most take a 2% hit on it's GDP according to economists and that assumes it will continue with policies like paying higher costs for prescription drugs under NAFTA. It has good credit and lots of raw materials. Canadians won't go hungry.

I have citizenship in Canada, too (born in California). Trump is lying through his teeth when he says Canada is taking advantage of the U.S. under NAFTA. We have a goods and services surplus with Canada and Trump ignores the huge services surplus and focuses on the small goods deficit. We've become a services producing powerhouse because those are the best paying jobs.

There is some dirt Canadians won't eat and Trump will find that out if he keeps it up. Canadians like Americans but they definitely don't like Trump. They won't be bullied. No Canadian PM who tucked tail to Trump would survive. We can have a free trade deal with Canada if we scrap NAFTA (Canadian PM Trudeau said so), but it won't be on the back of increasing our trade surplus with them.

Canadians are friends, not lackeys. Who was with us from Day One in Afghanistan? Canada. They weren't with us in Iraq or Vietnam ... shows they aren't stupid.

 

Correct. The key factor being that the person doing the arm-twisting recognize how far they can twist and for how long.

 

ZIONISM: It seemed like a good idea at the time. I thought so. I was so fascinated that I read a ton of books about it, its development, biographies of Hertzl & Moshe Dyan & Golda Meir & Ben-Yehuda, the military exploits of men such as Ariel Sharon ... "Operation Wrath of God" and the history of the Mossad. It was unpleasant to learn that the basis for much of it was a lie.

 

Canada won't put up with much. They won't sign a trade deal with an enforcement clause--a key Trump demand.

Here's how Canada reacted to the 1930 Smoot-Hawley tariff:

"In May 1930, Canada, the country's most loyal trading partner, retaliated by imposing new tariffs on 16 products that accounted altogether for around 30% of US exports to Canada. Canada later also forged closer economic links with the British Empire via the British Empire Economic Conference of 1932." LINK​

Do you think we should see if they'll eat our dirt?

 

Since there are probably some sophisticated Zionists here, I'd like to ask a question that I've wondered about for a long time:
Israel is obviously going to keep the West Bank. So ... what does it think will happen with respect to the Palestinians living there? They're unlikely to leave.

What if the Palestinians switch to a one-state-solution strategy: "Okay, you can keep your conquests, but we want citizenship in the new Greater Israel"?

Now if the Israelis were Third World savages like the Burmese, they'd just drive the Palestinians out. But they're unlikely to do this, unless the Arabs give them the excuse by launching some sort of all-out war.

So the Palestinians are there to stay. Now what?

 

You don't consider the fact that Israel is already "driving the Palestinians out" with fake flag operations (ie. no excuse) an act of what you call "Third World savagery"?

 

Be my guest

 

The US accueses canada of unfair trade practices through government subsidies to the canadian company

 

I'm not sure why you think it's obvious Israel is going to keep the West Bank. We might annex some of the territory, where big settlements blocks are, but not all of it. We never wanted the whole territory (except for some extremists, but they don't matter in the grand scheme), we wanted Jordan and Egypt to take back the West Bank and Gaza, but they refused. Those are hot potatoes nobody wants.

Should Israel annex some territories in the West Bank, the Arab inhabitants will of course be offered Israeli citizenship. There's no way to do it otherwise. I know that there are East Jerusalem Arabs with only permanent resident status and no citizenship, but that's because they had Jordanian citizenship at the time of the six day war. Jordan has been quietly revoking Jordanian citizenship of Palestinian Arabs since 1988, so the only option left for those Arabs in West Bank areas that - and if - are annexed by Israel is to give them full Israeli citizenship. There's no other way.

Many Palestinians would be very happy with a one-state solution, because they hope they'll outnumber Jews and erase the Jewish character of Israel. Not going to happen.

 

I don't blame the Jews or whoever. I am only asking Israel to practice what they preach. If they claim diversity is ideal then they should immigrate millions of Muslims.