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Israel is home to a huge number of mostly Muslim immigrants from Africa.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-...ation-to-Israel-Its-the-economy-stupid-337406
(The writer is director of PR and communications at the Israeli Immigration Policy Center).

We also have Christians from Eritrea and Ukrainian refugees.

Enough diversity for you?

 

They would no doubt like to see the Palestinians driven out, but it's not happening. (I won't bother arguing about comparing Israeli actions towards the Palestinians with Burmese actions towards the Rohingyas. If you think they're at the same level of savagery, I can't help you.)

Don't confuse intentions with results. Of course they'd like to see the West Bank -- indeed, for the consistent ones, all of Israel -- Muslim-rein. Since it's not happening, I would like to know what they (the Zionists) think Greater Israel will look like in twenty five years? Three million Palestinians without citizenship? Or a Greater Israel where nearly half the voting population is Arab? It's going to be one or the other. How do Zionists plan to deal with these alternatives?

Pisa: if Israel doesn't want the whole West Bank but only part of it -- which would indeed avoid the demographic swamping I mentioned -- then why isn't it pursuing a "two-state solution"? Or are you arguing that it is pursuing such a solution, but that the Arabs aren't yet willing to accept a truncated state?

Also: why only part of the West Bank? Is it for geographical/security reasons? When you look at a map of Israeli settlements, it sure looks like the Israelis want the whole thing, not just a pushing-out of current Israeli borders to eliminate salients, etc..

 

Says you.

Whatever level I think they are has nothing to do with Burma. You have me confused with someone else.

Only those two choices? You are fooling yourself. Return to the question of what level the Israel government, is and start again. When you do that you will see that a third choice is most likely ..... the one that you say "is not happening".

 

Thingamabob: Perhaps you know something that I don't (which is entirely possible): are you saying that the Israelis are succeeding in driving the Palestinians out of the West Bank ... so that at some point in the future there will only be a few tens of thousands (instead of nearly three million) left? If that's the case, then the Zionists are pursuing a rational strategy. At any rate, I'd like to see the sources which document such a massive population transfer.

 

Hmmmmm

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.824444

How many Africans has Israel given asylum to?

 

No, I don't think I know more than you. I think that I am looking at what we both know more logically, that's all.

I don't know if you are American or not but I have lived in the US. I have seen how black & white segregate themselves. I am from Sweden and I have myself been segregating myself slowly, slowly because of the migrants swarming my city. If you look at a progressive map of Israel you will see how Israel has been invading and conquesting. You will also see how Palestinian neighbourhoods are becoming isolated from one another more and more. Dwindling pockets of them have no future. They will eventually disappear. That is Israel's plan.

 

Israel doesn't want any part of the West Bank. We might have to annex some parts for our own security if the Palestinian leadership keeps rejecting all the peace plans and initiatives (the 1967 borders are out of the question, proved to be indefensible). Again, only the major settlement blocks will remain, the smaller, scattered settlements will be dismantled.

By the way, some 99% of the Palestinians live in areas A and B controlled - totally or partially - by the PA, not in area C, where the settlements are. The settlements occupy less than 2% of the area C (that's for those who are accusing Israel of taking all Palestinians' land for the settlers).

At the moment the Palestinian leadership is willing to accept only one state - Palestine from the river Jordan to the sea. The maps used in West Bank show only Palestine on the whole territory occupied by Israel, West Bank and Gaza. Imagine the outrage if Israeli maps showed West Bank and Gaza as part of Israel. Well, if the Palestinians do it, nobody cares.

 

Please don't post links to premium articles. I'd never pay to read an article in Haaretz.

Because I couldn't read the whole article, I don't know if the scum mentioned the Supreme Court rulings regarding illegal immigrants. The Supreme Court forbid forced deportation and ruled that illegal immigrants who refuse to live the country can only be jailed for 60 days, not indefinitely as that piece of garbage states.

Ayelet Shaked is trying to find a legal way around the ruling. I hope she won't succeed. Chances are slim, given our basic laws and the international treaties signed by Israel.

I don't know how many Africans were granted asylum.

 

Oh please. Some of you have been intending on annexing Area C since the Oslo Accords. As Bennett said at the Saban Forum in 2014 it is just a point of waiting till the psychologically correct time.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=I...x-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=vsBCWtiHDoeGgAb_i4G4Cg

 

Some of us like cacti, some of us are fat, some of us want orange juice in the morning instead of coffee.

This is how a democracy functions. Some want something, others want something else, a third group protests the first two. Freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, freedom of choice.

Shall I remind you of some Muslims who threatened other group of Muslims following the vote in your Parliament in favor of gay marriages? Can I pretty please say "Muslims hate gays and want to kill people"? Can I?

 

Is it against forum rules to post such a link no. Do I pay for premium articles no. I can see the whole article. The difference. Knowing this had happened I put in an appropriate search. This story has been widely covered. Israel forcing refugees to leave to their death.

the 'scum'. Who to you is 'scum' Pisa

It is not garbage. They are giving the result of research. Israel was forcing people and making it so uncomfortable for them in Israel that they were willing to give it a try - a try which led to torture and death for many.

As you have been keeping them in jail for 12 months that is an improvement - as you gave no link

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com...ikes-down-key-part-of-african-migrant-policy/

However I would need to say that the keeping of Asylum seekers in jail for 60 days "while the state tries to persuade them to change their minds" sounds extremely ominous.

Of course she is. Like all people of her ilk she would like to remove the power of the Supreme Court and of course human rights - other than to Jews of course.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.809617

I am not surprised you do not know as Israel hardly recognises any.

From 1951 to 2014 Israel only recognised 200 Asylum seekers.

Between July 2009 and August 2013 Israel recognised 26 Asylum seekers.

Israel in comparison to the rest of the world

 

Stories widely covered are not always true.

Fake stories about Israel abound in the English edition of Haaretz. Gideon Levy and Amira Haas are particularly hideous in this regard. Often English translations of Hebrew articles are not accurate. I'm wary of using Haaretz as a source, though I do it occasionally. There are some good journalists there.

The author of the article, or whoever translated the article if the original was in Hebrew. There's no way the article was written like this in Hebrew. It's such a bold lie. There's an ongoing debate here regarding illegal immigrants, everyone knows about the rulings of the Supreme Court. The lies are destined to readers abroad, unaware of the realities on the ground.

What you won't read in the English edition of Haaretz is that there are organizations dedicated to help illegal immigrants integrate in the Israeli society.

I knew a 10 years old from Eritrea. She was a fourth grade student at the Tkuma school in Tel Aviv, a special school for kids with learning disabilities. She received everything every other students - Israeli Jews and Arabs - received, and more. The "more" included free meals (courtesy of the David Intercontinental Hotel across the street), clothes, toys. I've met the young man who took care of her and others like her on behalf of the dedicated NGO. You can see her in the video below running with a kite she - like all the other kids in her class - made for the "Talking kites" project. The girl in red:



I can't say that the life of illegal immigrants is easy, but it's still far from the nightmare readers of Haaretz imagine.

I gave two hyperlinks in my post - both in bold and italics. Next time I'll put the links the traditional non-HTML way, easier to spot.

Again: there are NGOs dedicated to help illegal immigrants, including free legal advice. It's not like the prisoners are in limbo somewhere in a hidden bunker. This is not a Rambo movie or a computer game. Jails here are not that bad, in fact many people complain that their hard earned money are paying for the relatively good life of convicted criminals. One can even earn a BA degree while in jail. No daily beatings and torture, sorry. I've met a psychologist who was working with prisoners. We're not a banana republic, you know.

I think the convincing focuses more on possible gains, not on present hardships, as the legal system here doesn't tolerate abusing prisoners.

Your snide remark about Jews-only human rights proves you don't really know what the justice system is about. Once the government removes the power of the judiciary, there are no human rights to speak of for anybody, absent the mechanism to protect those rights. The likes of Ayelet Shaked strive to deny the basic right to freedom of opinion to all those who don't think like her, Jews and non-Jews alike.

Israel should be compared to similar countries, not France or Germany. Keep in mind that immigrants here are a larger percent of the population than in European countries.

My personal opinion is that we should offer asylum to more immigrants, given the dire situation in their countries of origin. If not refugee status, at least some temporary resident status that would allow them a better life. There's no chance in hell that the current government would even remotely consider such a possibility, and even the center-left is not comfortable with allowing illegal immigrants to stay. The situation right now is bearable though, considering the alternatives.

 

Large, stable, wealthy, ethnically-diverse nations like the United States, under no military threat from anyone, should welcome lots of asylum seekers, because they can

The further away a country is from all the happy adjectives above, the less it can, and will, do for refugees.

A militarily strong Israel, isolated on its own continent, threatened by no one, with 300 million inhabitants, would no doubt lead the world in benevolent actions towards refugees, just as Jews everywhere have been at the forefront of social concern and advance. (The latter characteristic is one of the reason rightwingers hate them.) But the actually-existing Israel is in no position to.

And you know what? Even if Israel admitted a million Muslim refugees (fleeing persecution from other Muslims) ... it would make not one bit of difference to the Israel-haters. They couldn't care less about any good thing Israel does.

 

Take Canada to the NAFTA dispute resolution body.

We have a trade surplus with Canada that sees us selling manufactured goods and high-value services in return for their raw materials. Trump is poised to throw that away because Trumpites are stupid enough to buy his demagogic appeal. He scews up something important and then cries big tears for average folks when the elites object. It's an act.

 

I dont think every decision crosses trumps desk so dont make it sound like trump against the world even though it feels that way at times

 

Getting out of NAFTA might not cross his desk? If it doesn't, he's incompetent.

It's "Trump the demagogue," not "Trump against the world."

 

Because they can? No. They should because it is the country that has started all of those wars in the middle east and elsewhere. The US is the reason why there are so many refugees in the world. That is why they should accept more refugees than any other country. But they don't.

So you are a racist?

“rightwingers”? “hate”? You are just making it up in your head.

Again with the “hate” already? Where do you get these ideas? Everyone should maybe ignore the treachery Israel has committed (and continues to commit) just because you say “Jews are at the forefront of something”? Your ideas are racist. You do not know you have racist ideas - but you do.

 

Truth hurts doesn't it?

 

I guess we should have left our embassy in Bonn.

 

If canada is subsidizing their aircraft manufacturers and taking sales from the US that is a blackeye for NAFTA

Or do you approve of unfair trade practices that hurt America?

 

No, this is no repudiation of the reality that you intend on annexing 62% of the West Bank. My you must be desperate.

 

research. I am well aware that most of the 'stories' that Israeli citizens read are not true.

The people who speak of being wary of using Haaretz as a source as Israel propagandists. What you mean Pisa is that you do not like a view which goes against your pretty much fascist Government. As is usual among fascist supporters you try to pretend that anything which does not go with what you support is 'fake news'

You really believe Haaretz were the only people to cover this.

'Documentary filmmaker Lia Tarachansky explains that the income garnishing measure targets African refugees and is intended to discourage asylum in Israel'



Not only does she make clear that your Supreme Court ruling means nothing as your fascist government just ignores such rulings, she also gives a good account of how Israelis including the army at the border initially welcomed the refugees who had never in any way done anything against either Israel or Jews. However it was not long before Netanyahu and his government managed to get the Israelis hating them due to his propaganda - so that of course we have seen all the racist marches the people of Israel, once a people who relied heavily on people's openess to refugees, hate and oppress and are willing to do any level of hatred to the other as of course we would expect in an ethnic nationalist State which Israel is.


A mob sets garbage on fire and sings “The people want the Africans to be burned” after a protest against African refugees and asylum seekers in Tel Aviv’s Hatikva neighbourhood, May 23, 2012. Activestills.org

You have even passed a law to take working refugees money away from them, leaving them with hardly enough to survive and claiming they will only get the money they earn if they leave.

http://jfjfp.com/92509-2/ Transcript of video for anyone interested at that link.

Do not pretend you welcome anyone but Jews. Due to the holocaust you may have been forced to accept non European white Jews but anyone else trying to stay in Israel, whether they are workers, refugees or anyone else must out - this is an ethnic racist State and the biggest bit of hypocrisy in it is that the people you have been expelling from the land and keeping prisoner and mass murdering with your military are, as genetics show, the people you pretend to be.

 

Thats not compareable.

 

Good stuff. Thank you.

 

Netanyahu's Five Part Plan: The fifth part = "the final solution".