'Get a good job': Joe Hockey accused of insensitivity over advice to first-home buyer

I am assuming then, that those who support what this moron says are happy with the following:
Tomorrow morning, Sydney wakes, to find that is has no nurses. There not on strike, just doing what the moron suggested - go and find a well paying job. So that is what they are doing. Every, single one. Not, just some left carrying on to ensure the hospitals don't actually close. But all. Only seems reasonable to me

 

Seems idiotic to me. So are you saying all the nurses partners have also quit their jobs? It is usually couples that are looking to buy a home, or are you saying that all single people are also looking for a home to buy? Anyway, nurses are actually quite well paid and I am sure very few would be stupid enough to quit their job first and then go looking for another that is better paid. You need to stop and think a bit before opening your mouth.

 

Then the nurses are stupid because they've misunderstood what Joe was saying...... as I've been explaining in this thread.

 

The reason Joe upset all the lefties is because he suggested you should get a job. You see the lefties think that people who don't work should have all the benefits of those who do work. I see it all the time, welfare bludgers who think they should have all the things that working people have. They seem to think the money and assets working people have just fell out of the sky and they can't understand why things like that haven't just fallen out of the sky in to their laps.

 

Joes got a great job, he's paid by me, and has his donate to Joe tin which he constantly rattles, doesn't matter who's cheque it written on, just as long Joe gets it!

 

Now we have approx 750 000 unemployed, we have at any one time approx 200 000 job vacancies, most of these jobs vacancies are dynamic, that is they are vacant while they are waiting for someone else working to change jobs. So lets be very generous and say it's 150 000 genuine vacancies, many of these go to families that already have one bread winner, lets be generous again and say it is 100 000 vacancies. Some of these positions are being taken by older people wanting to keep working and partly disabled people looking for work. So lets keep it at 100 000. What you are saying is that the 650 000 that cannot get a job due to the fact that THERE ARE NONE are really lefties in disguise, bludging and who think they should have all the things working people have, like food, shelter, education and health.

I agree, who the hell do they think they are, don't they realize that as society and technology increases we can do as the politicians have been asking for many years, become more productive, that is making more stuff with less workers so they (the dole bludgers) should be more appreciative that our country is growing, becoming more productive. Don't they realize that they like the aged are not needed any more and should just top themselves and alleviate adultmale from having to support every one of them all by himself. Those families withy no incomes should rejoice at the millions of 2 income families that are using their combined incomes and negative gearing to pursue wealth, after all, if they had a job there wouldn't be enough work for 2 income families.

Bloody disrespectful dole bludgers, put them in the army, send them out into the desert, anything except care for them, sheesh, we have ourselves to care for.

 

Of course if we push more disabled to work, toughen the laws on their pensions, if we push older people to work longer before retiring, if we make all the bludgers that do not want to work, work. If we do all that we could even have another 100 000 or so that want to work and cant not be able to find a job, oh they still will be scum, but the worse scum at least will be working and after all, we aren't concerned about those that want to work, it is finding jobs for those that don't want to work, those that are unable to work, or those that are old that is important, well they must be, they are the ones we are working on and hating.

 

Joe's emphasis was to get a good job, one like he has, receiving rent money (assistance) to live at his wife's/own home.
I am waiting for the day when you don't pop your head into the rear end of those Liberals and Nationals, well I might have to wait forever.

I bet you also think giving taxpayers money to people smugglers is fine, as long as Tone does it of course.

You are most certainly a Libs man.....

Poor you,
regards

 

looks like I was spot on, the lefties think people who don't work should enjoy all the benefits of people who do work. So if that was the case why would anybody bother to get a job and go to work?
And just as an aside, if there are so few jobs around, why do the lefties want more immigrants and refos in the country? Who is going to feed them?

 

AM,
he was talking about good jobs, don't you get it?
Not the jobs normal people do for a living.
You are acting like a dickhead, sorry to say....
Regards

 

If- Abbotts daughter would be his son if only she had balls!

Feeding- The righties!

 

I see you finaly got it. Joe is right, you need a decent income to pay off a home. Jobs are like most other things, you generally start at the bottom and work your way up.
I will give you a little bit of my history so you may be able to understand my attitude toward whiners, bludgers and malingerers. In the early seventies I was living rough around Hyde Park in Sydney. On especialy cold or wet nights, if I had a dollar in my pocket, I would get a bed at the Slavation Army hostel 'Foster House' or 'The House of Bricks' as it was sometimes refered to. I had NOTHING. I got from there to where I am now by WORKING! I took any job that was going, I have literally shoveled sh!t because it payed better than welfare and it was the only job I could get at the time. I went to work even when I was crook and at times carrying injuries. I went without and SAVED! It didn't take long, a few years and I had a good job, money in the bank and was studying for a degree externaly. That's right, I went to work during the day and studied at night, I was prepared to do whatever it took. Then I met Mrs AM and we have never looked back. Once you have a job it becomes easier to get a better one. Then once you have qualifications the jobs get even better. DV pointed out there are 750,000 unemployed, I reckon 500,000 don't want to work and the rest are unemployable!

 

Good story, I have a very similar one, scarily similar actually except for one thing. I think the biggest difference in our stories is that Mrs DV was diagnosed with cancer when she was 31 a disease which the cure to killed her a few months shy of her 36th birthday.

Due to the intensive therapy and having a very young family it was necessary for me to leave work to care for my partner and children. There were long hours sitting waiting and many new (well new to me) issues arising. Childcare was a major issue, especially as a zero income family we apparently didn't need it so I would have had to pay except I couldn't so we didn't. If it wasn't for the charity of a neighbor I have no idea how I would have got through the first 3 years.

When my partner passed away I was left a single father. It was eye opening, dealing with centrelink, schools, child care as well as trying to re-educate myself, my profession moves so fast what i had learnt was old fashioned a few years later. I actually changed professions, I went into education for 6 years.

Even though I had been in the health industry, when my partner had cancer I saw the system from the other side "of the fence". Having knowledge of both sides was an eye opener, but nothing compared with what I would see later.

Through this process and the following years when I actively became involved in politics running in 2 elections I have had several epiphanies. These have been both life and lifestyle changing, but it was just the embryo of what I am today. These things have a way of exploding as you uncover what is really happening.

If you are correct AM and I have no idea if you are or not, except I know my daughter is both employable and wants to work. If you are right then it's a good thing. We don't and probably never will have jobs for them .... actually I have been predicting for some time that it is going to get worse, much worse, and now ......PWC report says half of all jobs will be automated in 20 years and Aussies need to re skill

We are I believe facing a gigantic change in our workforce and how we do business and a redefinition of welfare.

 

Absolutely correct. The Coalition for all its attempts to save coal for Coalitions good, wont stop the new energy that's sweeping the world, plummeting costs and creating more jobs, and a far cheaper lifestyle for all Australians.

 

AM,
thanks for sharing some more private aspects. Its is always helpful to understand a person better.
I also believe we have quite a number of people, which don't want to work or are unemployable.
Regards

 

DV,
the same applies to you, thanks for sharing some more private details.

I agree, the future will be a real rollercoaster in terms of work. Quite a number of people are struggling right now, I wonder where the new unemployment rate of 6% is coming from. Most certainly not from our region.

A good friend of my wife is Swiss and believes, the West has only a chance if we stay ahead in education and development. High Tech so to speak.

Maybe that applies for some Euro countries, I can't see us filling in. Where do we stand, where are we heading to?

Now as the current government has chosen to stay in the past, I really get worried.

Difficult times, I think....
Cheerio

 

Coalition -Two hours employment per week and your fully employed.

 

It seems quite a few of us on this forum have had hard times.
Mrs Magoo died of cancer aged 32 in 1982.
I had three boys, 11,10 and 6 to raise by myself.
I experienced the same difficulties as you guys. I was lucky enough
to have a sister and a mother and aunt who helped in the early days with child care.
As to the future, I think Australia is in deep trouble, with our interest rates and dollar
tied to America. Once interest rates start to go up in the USA, ours will follow, otherwise
the dollar will fall out of bed.
Until politicians realise what the average peasant realises, then Australia will continue to
go down the gurgler....but then we still have Abbott/Hockey versus Shorten/etc....
The mind boggles.......

 

No, he was saying for new home buyers to get a stable job that pays enough to support a loan. It 'is' the first step in getting into the property market. The second is sacrificing a bit of leisure to live below your means so you can save for the deposit to get the loan. It starts to splinter from there as there are a few options but its things like flicking the first property for profit and using it to get a bigger loan thus having moved up in the market if your smart at it, and repeat. It's not rocket science, its just unless your told, or read about somewhere, most people don't work it out for themselves.

The left seemed to peddle some BS angle that Joe was saying if you want to get a better house in Sydney, get a better job - which is not what he was saying in the slightest. Which is another example why I think the left/media are ftards.

 

MM,
same to you, thanks for sharing some private insights.
I can't see our main problem with the ties some currencies share, US$ and A$.
However, I can see a problem in our intellectual dependency towards the US, and that in many ways.

I think we all agree that things happen in cycles, and I just wonder which dirction we are heading and
in which way we gona renew ourselves.

Our dependency on coal, the unwillingness to invest in renewables or in a modern infrastucture of our cities (Perth Metro eg), the bad relatinonship with our neighbours, falling standars at our schools, I do wonder....

Many people are worried.....

Regards

 

Nouriel Roubini seems to have his finger on the pulse...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouriel_Roubini

 

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/roubini-bremmer-2015-outlook-2015-1

Sorry wrong link on post 46

 

Sounds like the classic conservative line of thinking. Meanwhile all the immigration in the last few decades has not been helping matters. There is a dearth of good-paying jobs available for the young, and housing in many of the major cities (where the jobs are) has become unaffordable. It's as much an issue of shortage of building space as it is a lack of enough older preexisting houses on the market. When so many new houses have to be built to accommodate the increasing population, that drives up housing prices everywhere.

 

Yes,and this is where human greed takes over.
Joe Blow wants to sell his house...the real estate agents (if Joe has a brain, he will contact more than one to get an assessment of value) will up the price so as they secure the listing...and guess what Fred Bloggs four doors down
sees the price Joe is wanting and thinks..."Jeez if Joe can get that for his, Ill put mine on the market for more than that...cos my house has a pool and an extra bedroom, plus a three car garage......
Get my point....its a domino effect...all created by greedy real estate salesmen....
AND the end result is....guess what....a housing bubble....
AND what is the definition of a bubble....where an assets value inflates due to demand, and when it bursts, its because the cash flow supporting that bubble cannot sustain the increased inflationary value any more....
AND that folks is whats going to happen this year.....
The bubble is going to burst......

 

I would imagine all the banks and big housing developers are benefitting from this situation.

When house prices go up, people have to borrow more money. It takes them longer to pay it back too. Instead of a 15 year mortgage they end up paying a 30 year mortgage, and that's more compounded interest going to the bank. Of course, banks can't let the price of housing come down. If it did, home borrowers might have negative equity and just choose to default on their mortgages, causing a "housing crisis" like what happened in the U.S. Banks would suddenly find that their mortgages they hold as collateral were not worth as much, hence they will try to do whatever they can to get the taxpayers to subsidize the high cost of housing. One example of this is the artificially low interest rates from the Reserve Bank (it cost money to issue such a loan, that money ultimately comes from inflation, which in turn reduces the purchasing power of the Treasury, requiring tax rates to be higher).