Get used to it.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Jul 17, 2021.

  1. Pixie

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    The question is, has the incidence been increasing.
    Not whether it rains a lot in Pakistan.
     
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    Sorry, but you've missed the point. Their conclusion is that CO2 is a response, not a cause.
     
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    And the answer is no.
     
  4. Pixie

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    Why do you abjectly refuse to acknowledge the problem?
    Do you put all your savings into fossil fuel production?
    Maybe more people should invest in developing renewable energy and help stop people unnecessarily dying, or the inevitable population migrations that will happen when parts of the globe become completely unproductive.
     
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    You have just been shown proof that you are wrong!

    I dont understand why you can look at a red ball and insist it is blue!
     
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    But you just said your report says CO2 is not the cause of global warming.
    Now you admit that it does exist.
    As I said, your report merely says that the response of CO2 is a mere 7 months.
    A spit in time...but CO2 is still there!!
    The question is where does the increase in CO2 come from

    It comes largely from burning fossil fuels, which is very much made of CO2 because it is actually old vegetation, and from destroying CO2 sinks...modern vegetation.

    Co2 is the primary ingredient of vegetation. Its role is to store CO2. It has been there since vegetation appeared on earth.

    That it takes 7 months to react to some other change is so niche as to be unimportant in the larger issue.
     
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    As usual political power and money take precedence over common sense. It is the new American way.
     
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    He doesn't view it as proof. Neither do I. So he may be wrong. Or right. Your comment was hyperbole.
     
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    ISTM JackH thinks CO2 is produced from methane.
    He completely misread his own report.

    It comes from releasing the CO2 locked in the ancient vegetation.
    In fossil fuels.
     
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    Read the report Lee A posted.
    Sea levels are rising.
    Or alternatively, go to some Indonesian islands and ask them.
    Or some shorelines in UK where houses have fallen off cliffs due to higher sea levels eroding them.
    The proof is in science and in reality.
     
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    We have experienced a single degree celsius in temperature over the past 100 years. Not exactly a crisis. Sea level has risen 2 1/2 inches over the past 25 years. The Brits with seashore houses should build them a bit further from the water. My father owned a beautiful piece of property on the Oregon coast that was the top of a cliff. Over the past 50 years it has disappeared due to erosion by the Pacific ocean. Erosion is real. It is unlikely that climate change had much effect on those UK seashore houses. People need to consider it when investing in property or building seashore homes.

    Climatologists have predicted another ice age in about 5000 years. The planet doesn't cater to humans. It just does what it does.
     
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    Quite simply, there is no evidence for your assertions.
     
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    You are still missing the point. Temperature drives CO2, not the other way around. So mitigating CO2 will not slow temperature rise.
     
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    Well, your answer is no. THE answer is yes.
     
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    There is no evidence for that answer.
     
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    It is a cheek to blame people who built houses way away from the cliff edge 100 years ago.
    Unfortunately the builders didn't install a crystal ball in the house.

    One degree is half the necessary temp increase necessary for an impossibility of reversal as effects start snowballing.

    I have reached the point where I have to rely on those sensible people who will walk right over you and your opinion to prevent serious damage to a world that includes you. I hope eventually you thank them.
    Unfortunately some just need to be carried along, objecting or not.
     
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    How can temperature drive a gas??
    A gas exists. It doesn't increase due to temperature! The number of molecules of CO2 stays the same.
    The problem is that temperature is going up because we have released too much buried CO2 which is creating an envelope that traps heat inside it.
    Please do some research!!
     
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    Then argue it out with LeeA. Have you read his post that explains the changes in sea levels?⁰
     
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    SLR has many explanations. One of them is coastal subsidence.
     
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    Temperature "drives" gas all the time. There is no evidence that CO2 "drives" temperature.
     
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    And why did the coast subside?
    Higher tides, stronger storms and a higher permanent sea level.
     
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    Will you PLEASE read up on the greenhouse effect??
    It is quite clear that you really don't know what the science says.
    Your replies are merely efforts to deny fact you don't like. And you don't understand fact. You just make stuff up and throw it out there in hopes that you can make one stick.

    CO2 in the atmosphere increases the temperature of the planet. It is absolutely undeniable and has been for years.

    And what does "temperature drives gas" mean? Heat doesn't multiply molecules of CO2. The amount of CO2 remains the same. The only thing temperature does is speed up the atoms in the molecules, which raises the temp of the CO2. it doesn't increase the amount of CO2.
     
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    People were quite aware of oceanic erosion 100 years ago.

    Opinion based on wishes rather than facts.

    Strange to hear a Brit supporting authoritarianism. I guess it can be found everywhere.
     
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    It's a geologic process. Has nothing to do with weather or climate.
     
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    Actually, some basic physics would do you good. Temperature, for example, is the difference between the gas in a stove and the liquid natural gas in a tanker.
    That still won't get you out of your corner because the point is that CO2 has no effect on temperature. Rather, temperature has an effect on CO2.

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