Getting One's Head Out Of One's Behind

You can share your opinion of heaven and hell but I hope you will respect her opinion if she rejects them.
I read your piece and some is true, some are coincidences and some I don’t believe. I think defending religion and the atrocities done In the name of it, ...we are in disagreement about
Stalin did not kill millions because of their religion...He was an evil man but he did not kill them because of religion but rather because of communism

 

I suppose with Stalin the question to ask is, What was because of Communism, what was because it was Russia and what was because it was Stalin. He impressed even the hard-core Communists with his brutality. Russia was always a violent country regardless of Communism.

Atrocities have been done in the name of just about anything. Romans for one were exceptionally brutal. For people living under that, Christianity was a way to come to a higher power than the state that they inhabited. It was a solution to the problem of a brutal dictatorial state.

Of course in many cases the solution can be worse than the problem. However most contemporary Christians aren't burning anyone at the stake, and they should not be blames for the Inquisition or anything of the sort.

 

women want to be treated equal, not like they are in need of your help, just like a man

 

so is this about religion?

 

and you will be fine if she chooses another religion then yours? dates boys of other religions?

 

Not necessarily. I know many women who willingly choose the "traditional" role. Some women want to be treated equal, others want other things in life - things such as family, love and religion.

You may find this worth reading: https://sites.google.com/site/ilyashambatthought/what-do-you-mean-by-equality

 

I will inform her about the things that I have experienced, and then she can choose truthfully for herself.

In case of boys, my main interest is in seeing her being treated well. In my experience, if the parents of the boy do not approve of the girl, they find ways to poison him against her. So I would like to know whom she would be dealing with so that she can avoid such a scene.

 

Forget the inquisition..forget witches.....what about 1940? What about lynchings? Those were less than 75 years Good Christians!

 

Here you are saying that if the parents of the boy did not approve of the girl they find ways to poison him against her. Sounds like you are the one who would poison your daughter against a boy who doesn’t treat her well.

 

Women are lucky now..we have more options than men, we Can comfortably choose what you call “traditional” or we can be CEOs.
What you mean by the highlighted above? Are you saying that women who want family love and religion do not want to be treated as equals? Very telling
I read most of your article and the unconscious sexism is rampant and quite patronizing

 

I am not sure what you mean by unconscious sexism, if it is unconscious how can I be aware of it?

In the highlighted text what I mean is that the single-minded push for equality does not serve many women, as they are interested in other things than equality.

 

What happened in 1940?

 

I am not sure why people rush to these kinds of conclusions about things I write. I was just saying what I have seen happen a lot: If the family does not approve of the partner, it often finds way to get the kid to think badly of the partner, and that can result in abusive behavior or in the end of the relationship. I would not poison my daughter against the partner; but if he does not treat her well he would hear from me.

 

Ask the Jews in Germany. I should have said 1933 to 1945

 

Of course you are not aware of that and that is the problem. It would be like a white person person Saying that black people should not live in her neighborhood but insisting she isn’t prejudiced at all. And my workshops there is a sign, “how do you deal with the problem if you don’t know you have one?”
You think women don’t think they are equal to men? What are they interested in? There’s an example of unconscious sexism. You believe that a woman who is domestic believe she is not equal to men

 

No, I am not saying that. I am saying that there are women who want things besides equality. What I heard a Christian preacher say is that men and women are "equal in value, different in roles." Now I do not think that there is a single role for women, but women who want the domestic role should be able to have it if that's what they want. I anticipate that most women will choose both domestic and career roles, but certainly there will be some who want to choose just one or the other.

How do you see me being prejudiced?

 

You are creating a strawman. Whoever said that women should not have the domestic role if that’s what they choose? By the way it is the feminists who have fought for the rights of these women. Before the women’s movement they couldn’t get a credit card in their own name. Before the women’s movement if a man left them they were out of luckBecause the man got everything if he was the primary earner. All those changes happened because of feminists fighting for homemakers rights.
I think you are projecting your own attitude for homemakers and projecting that onto feminists. Feminists are homemakers, feminists are CEOs and laborers...And yes many women choose just to be homemakers and other women choose just to be workers. Women have more options today than they ever had and it’s thanks to those feminists before them
Here are your words that show prejudice ..Some women want to be treated equal, others want other things in life - things such as family, love and religion.

 

All right, look. I am most certainly in favor of women having a meaningful choice of lifestyles. and I am also in favor of men having a meaningful choice of lifestyles as well. I am not sure how what I wrote shows prejudice. I was saying that equality is not the only thing that women want.

 

I want to go one further Renee and others here, if women are so strong then why do they play the victim card your at a superior percentage of the US population if your gender wanted power they have the numbers in a democratic republic to vote themselves into power in under a decade at all levels of government - so why don't they? I would argue men being used to holding power and being leaders appeal to women more than another woman would barring special considerations such as unusual popularity or talent or being otherwise a better choice. I would say women are as sexist as men are in that they favor one gender over another when it means handing them power and responsibility they don't often want a woman in that role but men.

 

How many women do you know that want to be considered less than equal? As I say ...how do you deal with a problem when you don’t know you have one
And whoever said equality is the only thing that women want? That’s a silly statement

 

Women still don’t have the networking in politics that has developed over 200 years. You are aware that women are now voting themselves into power like never before? We never dreamt we would have three women sitting on the Supreme Court. We never dreamed we would have so many female governors and senators and representatives. It takes time for the bigotry and sexism to subside. It’s A slow process but it sure is gaining momentum. And you are correct that women also respect men in power more than themselves. We have been considered inferior and had internalize that for centuries. But now that is changing.
I have been speaking on sexism for more than 25 years and the difference is striking. When I began women were their own worst enemies, now women are feeling their power

 

All right look. I am seeing what you are doing here, and I wish you well. But please do not accuse me of misogyny and suchlike. As I said, I have had female bosses and was comfortable with that state of affairs. But you have a lot of work ahead of you if you want to change the world in that direction. In most of the world feminism is a dirty word, and affecting real change will take a lot.

 

We are not most of the world. You are correct the countries that are not industrialized don’t like women’s equality. Yes I have a lot of work ahead of me but most of the work is behind me and your daughters will profit from my work and the millions of men and women who fought sexism
I have had make bosses, and was comfortable with that. Why shouldn’t you be comfortable with female,bosses?