Ghosts are Proof of God

A compelling argument.

For me, it was the existence of unicorns that finally sinched it.

But ghosts is a good one too.

 

LOLOL...

The Arabian Oryx is at the Root Of Unicorn Legend,....

 

You're just saying that because you are an atheist who is unwilling to accept the truth of reality.

Unicorns are magical creatures, by necessity, and therefore can only prove the existence of Yahowah. Since they are known to exist, Yahowah is proven real.

 

You are joking.............

 

I'd like to think the OP is joking too, but you just never can tell.

In all seriousness, the existence of Freddy Krueger proves beyond doubt that Jesus Christ was the Messiah and rose from the dead to save us from our sins.

Anyone who doesn't see that is a delusional atheist.

 

The list proves two things. First that you are deeply ignorant about religion.

But second, and most importantly, that you are not assembling an actual argument based on evidence and reason. You are instead merely spouting a specific sectarian dogma.

You know... you lost all right to whine about insults when you accused me of having homosexual sex with Ted haggard. Since then, I have cart blanche to insult you as often and as grandly as I want. Your assertion of hypocrisy would be ironic were it not your default position on just about everything.

That is worse than merely an incompetent argument. It is a completely garbled non sequitur.

1. Not all atheists believe disbelieve in an afterlife. So the "standards" you pretend here are figments of your fevered imagination.

2. Proof of ghosts is proof of ghosts. It is not also proof of unicorns, Santa, God or any other potentially imaginary entity.

Until such time as you actually assemble an argument that shows it to be true. You're not even close.

 

It is astounding how a theist can demand "objective empirical evidence" of everything except your own superstitions.

The mental gymnastics required for such an illogical feat is mind-boggling.

 

Well, funny that the same condemnation applies in reverse to you as well des it not?

 

Actually, no. It doesn't.

 

Not at all. You provided your list unprompted by anything I claimed or said. If you have proof of some ancient Hopi God that lived and died (and then lived and died, and then lived and died again), so what? It's a matter of complete non interest to me.

Not at all, again. If ghosts are transcendent souls, and if we all are honest and admit what a soul is (Plato considered the soul the absolute and vital eternal essence of what a person is), and we all know what happens to the body after death (decay and rot), and the mind (it has been likened to just unplugging a computer) then the clear implication and inescapable conclusion is that the soul is our link with the Creator.

Actually, I speculated. No concrete accusation was made (feeling guilty here, perhaps?).
But the point is you take me to task for insulting but feel no compunctions yourself about personal insults (some of which predated my Haggard comment anyway...so nice try).

I just knew you would try this. Let's comb through the Hawking Thinks Life After Death is a Fairy Tale thread and see how many atheists think that life after death is a real possibility, shall we? How many instances of belief in life after death (from an atheist) do you think will turn up?
I'm betting on zero! Want to take up that bet?

Is this your contention? Really? I wasn't really sure....

I didn't start this thread hoping to turn you around on this. So I don't really care about your absolutely set in stone dogma. I would have a better chance of
convincing Tom Metzger that blacks and Jews are okay folks.

 

But you will never again be able to honestly say that, "I'm not aware of any conception of an all powerful creator God that doesn't claim that God is eternal and transcends physical death or time and space."

I have done you a service by making you less ignorant.

But you make no effort to connect those dots. Detail exactly the reasoning that gets to this alleged "inescapable conclusion."

Because I can see no obvious connection between the ideas. And if you've been reading the thread, I am not alone in failing to see the link.

Making your accusation that much more slimy and despicable. I note you seem unable to resist continuing the suggestion.

I have as a result complete freedom to insult you in any way that pleases me.

Don't know. Don't care. It is an absolute incontrovertible fact that some atheists believe in the afterlife. There are about 300 million Buddhists in the world, and most would fall into that category.

I already won the bet with my 300 million Buddhists.

 

You are still failing to connect the two ideas, let alone prove the existence of ghosts.

 

And you still deny with 100% certainty with no proof whatsoever.

Judge your own positions by your standards.

 

Or, it just proves that many atheists are total and complete jerks.

Its called the guilt by association fallacy .... with some nice strawmen too boot.

Who needs evidence when you can just hurl fallacies all day?

YEAH ATHEISM!

 

Somehow without your intervention I was aware of a multitude of Gods before your "help".

Well, what is it you don't understand? If you understand what a soul is, and how a soul is a different component of the human make up than a brain or body, then how can you fail to understand (unless you are determined NOT to understand)?

Please! You have insulted me constantly long before my facetious comment about Haggard. Don't be so dishonest and pathetic.
You are hardly a victim here.

Oh...I didn't realize that Buddhists were explicitly atheists "While the contemplative elite may deny the real existence of gods and demons together with the rest of phenomenal existence, the majority of Buddhists from the earliest times in India, and in other countries where Buddhism has spread, have never neglected indigenous religious beliefs." (from the Encyclopedia Britannica).

"On the other hand, the Buddha did not explicitly rule out the existence of a God or gods, and very shortly after his death a devotional element formed within Buddhism. Stupas were built to contain relics of the Buddha and pilgrimmages were made to places where he had walked." (Religion Facts)

I could make a very good case against that but in case you didn't notice, my bet was not about 300 million Buddhists, but about the posters in the Stephen Hawking thread about the Fairy Tale of the Afterlife. You lose!

 

So... then when you wrote, "I'm not aware of any conception of an all powerful creator God that doesn't claim that God is eternal and transcends physical death or time and space,"... yo were what?

Lying?

 

Ghosts are about as real as Vince McMahon's wrestling and the USA dollar. I don't see how the obvious lack of proof of ghosts proves or disproves a God other than through mescaline interference.

 

Hardly. I'm discussing God from a western perspective. I'm not interested in Samoan, Hopi or Neo Pagan religion. The God of Einstein and Craig is enough to keep me busy.

 

So it wasn't actually a lie. It was just completely false by accident. Might there have been a cerebral lesion involved?

The God of Einstein?

LOL

How do you reconcile this with Craig's version?

 

Then prove his point for him. Otherwise I'll just assume the above post is just more senseless babble.

 

We have provided evidence, you simply sit and post pictures claiming there no one has done anything.

Well, this is whay you are doing:



If you are going to bleat about evidence, make an evidenced based case.

If not? Its just atheist baseball - deny at any cost, intellectal scorched earth policy - and there is nothing intellecual about it.

 

It wasn't "false" in any sense. Thanks for trying to manufacture an issue anyway. I've never discussed any God but our Western concept of God and if I'd talked before about Aboriginal gods or ancient Babylonian deities then perhaps you would have something to obsess over (instead of the nothing you have here).

How do you figure I think Einstein and Craig both view God the same? Once more, we see how desperate you are to stir up crap (perhaps because you think you might be able to gain some ground somehow). Again, I discuss a God from our Western European base (or was Spinoza an Inuit whale hunter perhaps?).

Do yourself a favor and grow up.

 

This is what you said:

"The God of Einstein and Craig is enough to keep me busy."

Not the "Gods." God, singular. The same one.

Back pedaling now does not save you from your blithering idiocy.

And I'll "grow up" just like Einstein did.

 

Looks like you were correct.

 

This qualifier comes rather late in the thread...

Uhh, is Neo Paganism a Chinese religion?