Global Warming Alarmists Resort to Hoax

Other documents are fake.

 

*sigh*...Still don't get it, huh? Ok, well there is only 2 options here.

Calling the other documents fake is expressing your view that the documents are fake and your ego won't let you admit defeat OR you are an intellectually dishonest liar advocating a position you know to be false. Either way you fail.

Yeah, the analogy is still atrocious.

Please confirm you are a liar advocating a position known to be false.

Is english your second language? Do you see that calling the other documents fake is expressing your view/judgement or straight up lying through your teeth?

No, you have been extremely indirect. You can start answering the questions above in an honest manner.

Yes I see you called them fake. Do you see how calling something fake is either expressing an opinion or lying through your teeth? There is no objective statement here. Especially when the facts don't even say it is fake. This makes your statement an opinion as it is a view/judgement contrary to the facts.

Which is it?

 

We go and go in circles again and again and only warmists and I call the other documents fake again and again and yet not even single warmist is seeing that the other documents have been called fake?

Are you seeing the fact that the other documents have been called fake?

 

The other documents ARE FAKE!!!!

 

Yes, you called them fake. This is a wrong statement to make. Calling them fake when this has been explained multiple times is symptomatic of your intellectual dishonesty and incompetency.

Btw, you are starting to make even less sense. Might want to get them screws tightened

As you have been told, Heartland themselves said the documents were real and the only thing they were looking for is if they had been altered.

This does not amount to your incessant and meaningless mantra of 'the documents are fake' which is your opinion contrary to ALL FACTS.

 

It became obvious to me some time ago (oh about 15 years ago) that AGW and other Paul Ehrlich type crap was a hoax or at the best a bad interpretation of data. They fooled me in my youth and now they have a brand new piece of sky to drop from the anti truth heights. I hope that the newer generations do not fall for the same thing that made them and later Al Gore rich at the expense of making fools out of a whole generation of people. Fear is a good money maker. Nowadays it seems that truth is unpopular, from Israel being Gods land, to the 2nd amendment equaling freedom. Not only is truth becoming a villain, naivety is for the old the treacherous and the greedy to literally bank on.

~ Peace ~

reva

 

Thanks. I cannot believe that after 3 days you at last have moved in the right direction.

Now let me see how many days will take you to confirm other facts even if they are have been used by you as your arguments.

Please confirm that:

1. We will spend another 9 days before you accept 3 undeniable facts listed below, and still you will not accept them.

2. Your are seeing that the other documents are called fake now.

3. You are seeing NO confirmation that they are fake.

4. Thus the conclusion that they are insignificant and unimportant, is stupid, it is idiotic, oxymoron [I apologize if I am not quoting your lexicon fully and exactly]; there is no logical reason behind it.

The order is insignificant and important. You may start denying these 4 facts in any order.

 

Now please admit that that was your opinion contrary to all facts.

Calling them fake doesn't make them fake either, it just makes you stupid.

Yes, you made a completely WRONG statement that they were fake. I am now seeing that I have been right the entire time and you have just been desperately trying to shield your ego from defeat.

ANything else you want me to clear up for you?

 

I am in a total disbelief. Are you saying Yes? Was it so difficult ?


Yes. I listed what I want you to clear up.

Confirm that:

3. You are seeing NO confirmation, no evidence that they are fake.


4. Thus the conclusion that they are insignificant and unimportant, is stupid, it is idiotic, oxymoron [I apologize if I am not quoting your lexicon fully and exactly]; contrary to all facts, there is no logical reason behind it.

 

Of course you called them fake. That was never the issue. The issue was whether it was an accurate statement. Which it is not. Do you get it? Do you understand why spreading misinformation is bad? Or do you uncritically take on and spread all info congruent with your beliefs and ideologies?

Now, stop using your dishonest and blatant deflection tactics and admit that that was your opinion contrary to all facts.

And how many times must I tell you Heartland themselves said the documents were real

Here's a towel, wipe that egg off your face.

 

Crossing fingers did not work. I am afraid it is going to take another month.

Is your answer to the question above “Yes”?

 

What part of 'the documents are not fake not even Heartland have said that, calling the documents fake is expressing your wrong opinion' do you not understand?

 

Ok. If your answer is not Yes the only other choice is that it is No.

Let's continue to demonstrate that you are not seeing that the other documents are called fake after 4 days of them been called fake.

 

The other documents ARE FAKE!!!!

 

Do you see why it is inane to incessantly call the documents fake when this is a blatantly wrong statement?

 

No.


I am positive that all normal people can see, even taking a short glance at the discussion, can see that the other documents have been called fake and there not been even a single believer in AWG who can see that. Thus looking at this discussion normal people can estimate and describe the state of mind of a believer in AWG and understand what AWG is all about.

 

Heartland themselves said the documents were stolen, not fake. All indicators suggest the other 7 documents are real. Please stop with your moronic posting. You have no argument here as is plain to see to anyone with basic reading comprehension which you seem to severely lack.

http://heartland.org/press-releases...-institute-responds-stolen-and-fake-documents

"Yesterday afternoon, two advocacy groups posted online several documents they claimed were The Heartland Institute’s 2012 budget, fundraising, and strategy plans. Some of these documents were stolen from Heartland, at least one is a fake, and some may have been altered."

Do you understand the documents are not fake and you are expressing an opinion contrary to all facts?

 

What opinion? You are not seeing the other documents called fake. What are you talking about?

 

What are you talking about? I just proved the documents aren't fake. So therefore, you calling them fake is merely an opinion, unless you were aware of the facts, in which case it makes you a liar.

Seriously, what don't you understand here? It is INCREDIBLY simple.

 

What opinion?
You are not seen the other documents being called fake.

 

The only person calling the documents fake is you. Everyone else knows this to be a wrong statement.

 

The only person debating with you is me.

In the first place you are not seeing the other documents being called fake. Not even a single believer in the global warming sees other documents are called fake.

For all other people you cannot even talk about something if you are not seeing it and no other believer is seeing it.

Are you seeing the other documents are called fake?

Yes or No?

 

Folks, don't let the p***ing-match between Gleick and Heartland divert your attention from the fact that the Heartland gang is a sorry collection of dishonest, incompetent hacks.

Here's one example of Heartland's incompetence/dishonesty, taken directly from the Heartland-sponsored "climate-education" web-site (this is not part of the Gleick "document dump", BTW) http://www.globalwarmingclassroom.info

This is nothing more than the thoroughly-discredited "dropped-stations/station-dropout" talking-point that incompetent deniers have been pushing for the past few years. What makes this Heartland claim so remarkable is how easy it is to disprove. Scientist and PhD statistician Grant Foster disproved it via some very straightforward data analysis -- followup details here: http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/03/...anthony-watts/. More info here: http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=131

Furthermore, I took a crack at analyzing the alleged "station dropout" issue myself. I wrote up a simplified global-average temperature program of my own and ran the raw GHCN data through it. I got basically the same results that Dr. Foster did -- my results showed that the "dropped-stations" had virtually no impact at all on the global-average temperature results.

You can see the results of my analysis of the "dropped stations" claim right here on my hometown newspaper's on-line forum: http://forums.utsandiego.com/showpost.php?p=4323615&postcount=35

Disproving this "station dropout" claim really is not a very difficult exercise -- I could walk college freshmen (or even AP high-school students) through the whole procedure.

Heartland is also still pushing the lie that the CRU somehow manipulated data to get the results it has published -- from the above Heartland web-site:

Well, the CRU released the entire so-called "climategate" raw temperature dataset to the public last summer. I downloaded it, modified my program to process it, and was able to confirm the CRU global temperature results the same day. I posted those results to the above forum as well -- linky here: http://forums.utsandiego.com/showpost.php?p=4428077&postcount=58.

It's been over 7 months since the CRU released that dataset, and the deniers who had been crying "manipulation" still haven't figured out what to do with it (in spite of the fact that they were the ones who were demanding that the CRU release it so that they could investigate the supposed "data manipulation").

If the deniers who had been pushing these claims had any integrity, they would have performed their own independent analysis of the temperature data, discovered that their claims about NASA, NOAA and the CRU were incorrect, and then would have issued a public apology.

The fact that the Heartland hacks and other deniers are still pushing such easily discredited claims so long after they have been thoroughly disproved speaks volumes about their competence and honesty (or lack thereof). And the fact that Heartland is still trying to tell whopper lies like these to students shows just how absolutely evil that organization is.

Edited to add: You might have to refresh the pages at the above utsandiego.com links to get the images to load.

 

Yes, I'm seeing you call the documents fake even after you have been shown they are not. It's moronic. Do you see that the documents, in reality, are not fake?

Yes or no? And I was kind enough to answer your question. Now please answer mine so we can stop this nonsense.

 

If you were seeing the other document are called fake you would answer the question, - "are you seeing the other document are called fake?" with "Yes".


Like all normal people do and like I do and I did here the last time: http://www.politicalforum.com/envir...g-alarmists-resort-hoax-5.html#post1060977436


I have repeated this question about 10 times. You have not answered "Yes".

Look:

I am asking you again:

Are you seeing other documents are called fake now?

let people see your answer.