Globalization vs. Sovereignty which do you prefer and why?

I like having separate nations with separate laws from other nations. I don't think I can deal with having to challenge a speeding ticket in a court in China when I live here in America, if the world went Globalized and killed off all Soverignty of nations. that just won't work.

A World Court? don't believe it can happen? It's happening now.

Sound off if you Love America and love living in America.

If you want Globalization, just vote and leave. your verbal/written opinion really doesn't matter. I already know how you think.

 

Americans simply don't know any better than to follow sheepishly along with the globalist narrative. We'll be living under the tyranny of a fully empowered global government within 20 years. Our sovreignty has been under attack for decades - in the government schools, in the courts, in the halls of Congress, in the media, it's everywhere, everyday - and that's before you ever begin digging into the rat's nest that is our State Department.

Sovreignty attacking, anti-American, lustfully treasonous - that pretty much sums up our State Department and the Establishment that has been in control of American foreign policy for the last 75 years.

Ever read "Foreign Affairs"?? You should - the foreign policy of tomorrow is on the pages of Foreign Affairs today. NeoCons get creamy jeans reading about all manner of meddlesome interventionism and the efficacy of "bomb them in the name of peace and safety".

To ultimately usher in the new order - let's call it "The New World Order", has kind of catchy ring to it, don't ya think?? lol... The previous system has to be brought to collapse. That will require a global economic and currency meltdown - which of course is in the planning now.

See -

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Love the debt clock

The Establishment has been steering us toward collapse for decades; and heretofore the course has been perfectly logical, i.e. international institution building (World Bank, IMF, UN, World Court, ICC, NAFTA, GATT, etc); combined with attacking our domestic culture and institutions (government takeover of schools, the courts, police, destablization of the family, destablization of the currency, growth of government and police power on every level, mountains of debt, etc) - and of course war, war, and lots more war.

The table is set - debt to GDP is near 100%, most of the necessary administrative and regulatory institutions needed to govern on a global level are in place under the UN, and the American people are in no way capable of comprehending what is being done to the them.

The kickoff will likely be war. The Establishment could trigger an economic and currency meltdown tomorrow, but getting embroiled in a good old fashioned donnybrook is the most logical trigger. There are no shortage of hot spots, but Iran and Syria seem like good candidates - especially as disruption of oil production and supplies would provide ample opportunity to disrupt the economy, bust the federal budget, push our debt to default, and destroy the currency.

After decades of brainwashing and dumbing down in the government schools (Gramsci was right), the American people are too ignorant to understand what is happening; hence, there is no chance of being able to stop the inevitable.

 

Man this was awesome. chime in some more. you are DEAD ON POINT.

 

Socialism is internationalist, not nationalist.

 

We want a global economy and a global presence, but we want sovereignty over everything else (meaning that real global problems are to be ignored as much as possible). The danger of trying to get the best of both worlds is that we could end up with the worst of both worlds.

 

We are a diverse nation and just by the nature of the beast, adapting within our own confines is difficult at time. Adjusting to even more would be impossible. Nations will never join together in unity. It is against the nature of man and absolutely against the practice of governments. Governments are like the kings of old...they always want more than their fair share...plus, who is to say what is a fair share? I don't want to work my tail off while some guy in Asia or Africa sits on his duff smoking some strange weed and plays with himself and contributes nothing. Globalization will never, never work.

 

The very core of modern America is globalism.

You complain about the World Court but not the US Supreme Court?

I suppose you despise the World Bank, but not the Fed?

And the UN with troops around the world, but not the US military?

How many times have you shopped at Walmart this month? Own an iPhone?

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Californian sovereignty has long since been destroyed by the globalism of Washington DC. Where's your sovereignty?

 

Globalized economic integration in no way is a slippery slope towards social/governmental integration.

None at all.

We can freely trade and interconnect our economies without having to cede one iota of real sovereignty.

 

What a global elite is doing and want is; 'spreading democracy', nation building, regime change and globalism. And they use; fake revolutions, cruise missiles, invasions, lies about WMD, nuclear fear, weaponize 'rebels', use false flags (provocations) or infiltrators/blackwater, try to group masses of people via their labor unions, cause other revolutions in the streets of countries.
All that combined means empire building, creating a global empire.

 

Is europ dumbed down too? Why only america being dumbed down? Someone please exzplain to me why, after world war 2 when the entire industrialized world was wrecked and the average education in the first world was the 8th grade. Why didn't these globalists make their move then?

Are you seroiusly trying to imply or sya that our grand parents in the 1940's were better educated than us when the average of them had the educaton of a 14 yr old child? FDR HAD Comlete control of the american economy, truman and the big american bankers in 1945 could've conquered the entire world and brought it under their rule.

Why didn't they?

I refuse to accept the average american today is dumber than the american of 1950 its not possible.

It is simply impossible to look at all the events of the 20th century and see some long lasting plot by bankers and industrialists to create a one world government when they had not one but two perfect chances to do so when the world was much dumber and more collectivist than it is today. Why wait until now?

 

No it's not.

We don't need a World Court, and the US Supreme Court works for America last time I checked. not China.

We don't need either. They are both 2 corrupt entities and have ruined America.

UN Troops and US Troops are 2 different military's, or did you know that? the US military is for the USA, not China or Israeli needs. they all have their own military's for that.

Good question. I don't own an iPhone and I blacklisted Walmart 10 years ago for ripping me off over a pre-paid phone card. almost ruined my credit with all their lies and BS the sent to the Credit Bureau and had to subsequently retracct and clear my record. . .

Blame Obama. his pushe for more Globalism is the problem.

 

OP is very unclear. I support the U.S. as a sovereign country, but realize that globalization is the future and fully embrace it. This doesn't mean that a country has to give up its sovereignty to embrace globalism. More often it means that they won't impose tariffs or avoid global bodies/decisions.

 

the UN Charter states different. but if you wanna see if for yourself you have to wait because the UN website is down for maintenance. how convenient in an election year.

http://www.un.org/maintenance/

 

Ironically it came back up....so here we go.

from the UN Charter...

CHAPTER VI: PACIFIC SETTLEMENT OF DISPUTES

Article 33
1.The parties to any dispute, the continuance of which is likely to endanger the maintenance of international peace and security, shall, first of all, seek a solution by negotiation, enquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements, or other peaceful means of their own choice.
2.The Security Council shall, when it deems necessary, call upon the parties to settle their dispute by such means.



Key phrase here. ^^^... So Who determines when it's neccessary to intervene in other countries affairs?....you guessed it....the UN themselves.


this is just one example. there are plenty others that take power completely out of the hands of Sovereign country's

 

Article 34The Security Council may investigate any dispute, or any situation which might lead to international friction or give rise to a dispute, in order to determine whether the continuance of the dispute or situation is likely to endanger the maintenance of international peace and security.




This ^^ means, ANY DISSENTERS WILL BE DEALT WITH SWIFTLY.



So there goes your freedom of speech right there.

 

I love my country but is not history leading us to bigger and bigger human orginisations?

family group to village to clan to city to kingdom to country to nation to what ever happens next? Can we stop it? Should we stop it? Every step has lead to the growth and expansion of the human race. I realy dont have a conclusive oppinion on this yet.

 

As in the days of the Babylonians(one rulership, one language, etc..) so is Satan setting it up once again. only to be thrown down by GOD himself.

 

The second coming of Christ is going to come about no matter what. Since victory is preordained why would it matter one way or the other if the world peoples began to unite into a bigger grouping?

 

Why? for influence purposes and to further fortify the lies of Satan.

the best way to control the masses is with Cities. Satan knew this since the days of Cain. the first city builder.

 

Probbaly the same reason man always orginises protection and the better exploitation of resources.

Satan is going to do his thing until the Second Coming. We can niether change that or influence it. All we can do is be aware of our own actions, prey, and keep our faith. A one worl Government seems invitable or some form of global orginisation that would replace the nation state. I just dont know if it will be a good or bad thing I see the benefits and problems that could arise.

 

I don't like globalism, period. All it has done is made the plutocrats richer and outsourced what used to be a fairly decent standard of living.

 

True.

The only way out of this is to shed some blood.

 

Eventually it will happen, there is little that can be done about it.
　
　
Question is will it become for the betterment of the world as a whole or for the benefit of the few, a minority of acceptable rich elites that it tends to be leaning towards now.
　
　
At the moment the goal is for as many places as possible be left alone, isolated and/or in turmoil and made available for financial domination/exploitation. Unfortunately the facts speak for themselves, the world banks and mega corporations already rule the world, and it is theirs for the taking, to be used as they see fit, with the worlds most powerful army protecting that interest, their interests. Even if there are examples of imaginary sovereignty, it's merely allowed to be that way on paper, as it fits their needs to this point, as puppet governments are still allowed to rule/control the masses, one shadow government dictates the terms.
　
If the Wwars would have been successful in maintaining any vision of world peace (which was never the goal in the first place), there would be no dictators, no communism, no slave labor, and no religious discontent fueling imaginary wars on everything from poverty to drugs, and yes including the current war of the day, terrorism. At this point in time there should be no world conflicts in general of any kind. The fact is these things are being encouraged, and planned out in the name of maximizing profit while controlling the worlds resources. Peace is not profitable, and never will be allowed to flourish.

 

See that is the aditude that Saten would love to hear. When you betray your Christian ideals and begin killing all you do is spread his kind of power. Violence in the name of God is nothing more the violence in the name of Saten. You cannot kill your way into heaven, just like you cant lie your way in. Some times living aChrist like life means sacrificing like him as well.

 

Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

I never thought I;d see somebody complain about the UN dealing swiftly with anything let alone use of force. Good one.