Gnostic vs. Christianity

Yeah. I know the myth.

You buy it?

 

You know the myth? Obviously you don't... Look - I let you troll (I think that's what it's called) within my thread because it was entertaining. Never anwering anything. But, out here I will not play your games.

What myth... There are millions to choose from...

 

Any and all myths that claim that there were any Popes at all prior to the 3rd century.

 

That's funny... The First Pope was annoited by Jesus and one of the 12 Apostles. Why in world would you THINK that there were no Popes before the 3rd Century?

 

Yeah... that's the myth I was talking about. How wonderfully Roman Catholic of you. See? You did know the one I meant.

Good for you.

Because the term was never used before then... and when it finally was it was not for the Bishop of Rome.

 

I was forced to be a Catholic Layreader when I was in the Marines... And it's not a myth. The Pope's duties are exactly the same as Saint Peters. Was the Football Championship Game that the Green Bay Packers won "NOT" the first Superbowl because it wasn't "named" Superbowl?

Just because they called it something different 2000 years ago, means it didn't exist? The position still existed, has since Peter, and will far after our deaths, and it doesn't matter what it's called, it's still the same position.

 

Yes. That's the myth.

 

So, since the "name" wasn't used, but the position was still held by someone it becomes a fairytale - or a lie? I think you are not using "myth" correctly.

So, Chad Ochocinco didn't come into existance until he was Ochocinco! Because since his name was "different" about three years back, he was a myth... There is no Chad Johnson - only Ochocinco! His parents never even knew he existed!!

If a school changes its name from Sacramento to Knott then the school Sacramento becomes a myth...

If I lose my left shoe - it becomes a myth...

 

Wait... It gets better!!!

Because Saint Peter wasn't called Pope, he wasn't a Pope...

Because Michael Jackson didn't call himself black he wasn't black.

Because the steamy pile of crap in my backyard my dog left didn't "smell" like crap - it wasn't crap...

WAIT - I've got more!!!!!!

Because Steven Craig McDonald wasn't called a man, he wasn't a man. That was a myth!!! He's called Shirley now... so you had sex with him...

How was it?!?!

 

Not at all. Something is a fairy tale if it is a fairy tale. That there is external evidence for its mythological status is simply corroboration.

Perhaps you should do more actual research into the history of early Christianity rather than depending on TV shows.

 

Let's look at one of the most obvious idiocies in DMDs account:

Oh?

Was peter the “Vicar of Christ?"

No. The first pope with that duty was Gelasius I, 492 - 496.

Did Peter oversee the Roman Curia to govern other churches.

No.

Did he call for church councils or write encyclicals.

Nope. Pope Sylvester I (314 - 335) didn’t even attend the first ecumenical Council of Nicea, much less call it. That was done by Constantine the Great.

Did Peter have the power or authority to require things like clerical celibacy?

Nope. In fact, it is likely that several of the earliest popes were married, just as Peter was. Four, if not more, early popes were themselves sons of priests (Sixtus I, Damasus I, Boniface I, Innocent I) and this wouldn’t have been possible if their parents weren’t validly married.

Peter's "duties" whatever you hallucinate them to be were never even the most distantly "Popelike."

 

The TV show was wrong (not the first time that happened). The experts completely disagree.

 

not true. I'm sure your secular sources say this but it's just not true. neither is someone's claim that christians/jews did not hold women in any esteem. Certainly, they did. Did you know that one of the rulers of of Judah was a woman? There were women Judges of Israel...a judge is not what you may think it is. It is a leader. Jesus showed himself to women on the morning of his resurrection. Mary is held in great esteem as his mother even that her geneology is traced in the Bible. Ruth, Rahab, and many other women showed great courage, faith and strength and are held in great esteem.

And Gnosticism is a perfect example of how the definition of a word changes. Gnosticism is based on lies and forgeries so it is interesting that you say secular authorities call the apostolic books of the bible forgeries. Gnostics were not christian. They were as off track as some anti christians here are.

 

As I stated, there was a part on the TV show that it stated. I was Catholic, that has nothing to do with television... I was forced to know their history as they told it.

Were you Catholic? Or are you suggesting the Catholics are lying about the whole Pope thing...

 

12 years of Catholic School, baby.

And no. I don't believe they are lying. I believe that they believe the myth.

 

Yes he was... They say the first one was John... You are not Catholic are you or have studied the religion obviously..

Rome and the church were seperate during Peter's time... Doesn't mean that he was not the first Pope...

Yes...

Yes, and if it wasn't for Jesus, was able to forbid Mary from being an Apostle.

Neither is anything in it's infant stages... The duties of Pope increased over time.

 

Just to let you know, if you look at the Scripture, Jesus states that St. Peter is Pope. This dude you are talking about just named the job Pope...

Nothing more...

 

Then your scripture is limited. I have yet to meet a Catholic who has picked up a Bible and read it on their own accord.

And I am sorry about your schooling... that saddens me...

 

I figured. I never heard anything about that, and was just wondering. But, it did make a little sense. I mean, if there isn't "anything" from the Apostles in their time, how the heck did the NT get written?

Was it just made up? If the Apostles didn't write it - WHO DID?!?! And can it be taken seriously if it is supposed to be what was happening to the Apostles in their walk with Jesus...

 

Another classic DBM non sequitur. I had a professor in grad school who called that a "custard argument." The argument goes like this:

"If the sky is blue and the grass is green then 10,000 gallons of custard."

Ignoring that I haven't been a Catholic for more than 40 years... you must have led a very sheltered life.

One word: Prozac.

 

There is not a protestant theologian on the planet who would agree with you.

 

Boy... you garbled that badly. No... John was never the "Vicar of Christ" either. But at least you got one thing right. I'm not a Catholic.

The fact that there was no such thing as a Pope is the reason he was not the first Pope. But I guess you didn't know... Peter was in Rome. He was martyred and buried there.

Well... at least that's the myth.

Oh? You want to point me towards a couple of Peter's encyclicals and Church councils?

Oh? You want to point out that little episode in scripture for us all?

So... you were just bullsh*tting when you said that "The Pope's duties are exactly the same as Saint Peters?"

 

So, my statement was right... You have never picked up a Bible on your own accord.

Thank you for agreeing in your own "special" way WKA!

I don't take any form of drugs...

 

No. That statement of yours was wrong too.

 

It's pretty rare these days to see people quoting the old fake gospels that have long since been debunked. Gnostics, Muslims, Mormons, and many others have written their own "gospels" and tried to insert them into Christianity. Where would Christianity be today if everyone just wrote their own "gospel" and promoted it heavily?

I've read some of the fake gospels and it was obvious, in every case, why they didn't make it. If you want to follow a religion that you invent for yourself then I suggest you convert to Hinduism. You can make up your own god or choose from the millions of gods that others have created and promoted.

Val