God created sin - Change my mind

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  1. Uriah

    Uriah Well-Known Member

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    You better read the first chapter of Revelation.
     
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    Uriah Well-Known Member

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    Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. Only lazy amateurs use Wikipedia.
     
  3. Uriah

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    Yes, they're in the same file as the photos of your brain.
     
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    No, he wasn't.
    But if you want to go with that, then he was also the 1st Arab. Of which Mohammad was.
     
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    Tell us who was the first Jew if it's not Abraham.
     
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    Tell us who the 1st Arab was if not Abraham?
     
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    I asked first. You said Abraham wasn't the first Jew. Who was?
     
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    Then post a photo or a video of a god.
     
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    Mitty Well-Known Member

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    So what evidence do you have that the Romans didn't destroy Jerusalem and the Jewish temple?
     
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    Mitty Well-Known Member

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    None of that fantasy story changes the fact that Jesus didn't claim to be a god or to be without sin - Mark 10:18. And that he only claimed to be a prophet even though his parents and family didn't believe him (Matt 13:57), and that he later claimed to have an inherited right to be the king of the Jews as described in the genealogies for his adoptive father (Matt 1) and his supposed biological father (Luke 3).

    And it's your choice if you don't believe what the bible actually says and just cherry pick the bits that match your lifestyle and fantasies.
     
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    I asked 2nd. So what.
    No one know about abraham for sure. There's no record of his life. Just the biblical accounts(stories) about him.
    But according to biblical texts, He was from Mesopotamia. So that would make him Mesopotamian.

    As for the 1st so called Jewish person, when did that term come into language?

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    Abraham (flourished early 2nd millennium bce) was the first of the Hebrew patriarchs and a figure revered by the three great monotheistic religions—Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. According to the biblical book of Genesis,

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    The critical problem of a “biography” of Abraham
    There can be no biography of Abraham in the ordinary sense. The most that can be done is to apply the interpretation of modern historical finds to biblical materials so as to arrive at a probable judgment as to the background and patterns of events in his life. This involves a reconstruction of the patriarchal age (of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph; early 2nd millennium bce), which until the end of the 19th century was unknown and considered virtually unknowable. It was assumed, based on a presumed dating of hypothetical biblical sources, that the patriarchal narratives in the Bible were only a projection of the situation and concerns of a much later period (9th–5th century bce) and of dubious historical value.

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    The biblical account
    According to the biblical account, Abram (“The Father [or God] Is Exalted”), who is later named Abraham (“The Father of Many Nations”), a native of Ur in Mesopotamia,
    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Abraham
     
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    Read your Bible. It's all there in Genesis how Abraham made a Covenant with God and is the first Jew.
     
  13. Uriah

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    Quote my entire post.
     
  14. Uriah

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    I never said anything about that.
     
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    In Revelation first Chapter Jesus says he is the Almighty. You're wrong.
     
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    You read the bible?

    Give the verse that says Abraham became a jew.
    I bet the word/term Jew, Jewish isn't anywhere found in the bible. Have you read it?
    Jew is a religion.
     
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    Why can't you ever post the verses you reference?
     
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    If you're here to discuss the Bible, then you should know what the verses are. If you don't, then you shouldn't be discussing a subject you're ignorant of.
     
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    You're ignorant of the the Bible and really shouldn't be here talking about something you have no knowledge of.
     
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    Wrong. Jesus didn't write the book of Revelation, which was written about 60 years after he was executed by the Romans as the "King of the Jews", and long after any witnesses had died.
     
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    That's your issue if you don't believe what the bible says.
    Luke 3:33-34 and Matthew 1:2 says that Judah was Abraham's great grandson, and doesn't say that Abraham's name was Judah.
     
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    Without looking it up,

    What does Exodus 3:20 say? Exactly or paraphrase.

    The reason for posting a verse one references is to see if what they claim relates to what is actual.
    If you don't want to establish credibility, no need to support claim with actual references.
    Or making people do your work for you.
    If you claim a verse supports something, you must have it easily available to copy/paste the pertinent info.
     
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    So you are making false claims that by Abraham accepting a covenant from god that the bible then claims he became a jew.

    I figured as much.
    That shows that it is you who is ignorant of the bible words and no knowledge about the topic.

    That much is known.

    Which is why you don't post the actual verses you cite.
     

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