God created sin - Change my mind

The book of Revelation in the bible is about the future downfall of the Roman Empire.

 

But did Jesus die when he was crucified and then his corpse just rotted away?
Or did he survive his crucifixion and didn't die as described in John 19:34, and then went fishing with his mates (John 21) after being resuscitated by Joseph and Nicodemus (John 19:39-40)?

 

I said the simple truth. Why are you so upset?

 

You can't be serious. He laid his body down to die. Then he, in spirit, left his body and went elsewhere for three days, some say to the spirit world. Then he returned and took his body back up again with the power in him, overcoming death and establishing the power of the resurrection.

 

That's just pure fantasy, given that John 19:34 clearly says that he wasn't medically dead when Joseph and Nicodemus removed him and then resuscitated him (John 19:38-40) before he went fishing with his mates after recuperating (John 21).

 

Where did he say that, or is that just wishful thinking?

 

It's about the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

It's just a fantasy about the future fall of the Roman Empire where Rome is described as Babylon in Rev 17 & 18, and given that Babylon is just a ruin.
https://academic.oup.com/edited-volume/43185/chapter-abstract/362592229?redirectedFrom=fulltext
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon

And the last battle of Armageddon was fought over 100 years ago, and as far as I know there was no one riding a donkey there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Megiddo_(1918)

 

"As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father." John 10:15-18

 

The fantasy is what you distort the record into being. Not to mention that the divine nature of the matter evinces no hint of respect from you, only mockery. Which is foolish in consideration of the fact that all of his Apostles suffered persecution, imprisonment, torture and death while never recanting their testimonies.

 

The story in Revelation is just past history now since the fall of the Roman Empire occurred hundreds of years ago, and the last battle of Armageddon occurred in 1918.

 

Just words in a book. And doesn't change the fact that John 19:34 says that Jesus survived his crucifixion and was resuscitated by Joseph and Nicodemus (John 19:39-40), and then went fishing with his mates (John 21).

And would you lay down your life for some sheep instead of eating them?

 

What was divine about Jesus being crucified by the Romans instead of thousands of Jews (John 11:49-50) as happened 35 years or so before? https://www.livescience.com/65283-crucifixion-history.html

Who imprisoned and tortured and killed them, and why?

 

That's nice. Good luck.

 

Who is upset friend .. If I got upset every time some religious poster stated a falsehood in attempt to engage in self deception .. I would be having dirt nap long ago due to stress.

Now stop fibbing and tell us which command is "The Simple Truth"

A) Kill the child for the sin of the parents B) Do not Kill the child for the sin of the Parents.

 

Or

Man created God so by default man created sin.

 

Of course the body would have decayed as any normal dead body does. The women at the tomb had ointments to cover the aroma - not embalming fluids which penetrate the body When they got there, the story goes, the tomb was empty. Obviouslythe body was taken away. Various theories exist as to why. The stories around the empty tomb vary from Gospel to Gospel. My own view is simple. The offer of the use of the tomb was simply to cover the Passover period. It was a family tomb. The body could not be left there to decay in case the owners family needed it so it was quietly moved somewhere.. .

 

Do you have any actual evidence to support your claim that he was actually medically dead and do you have a death certificate, given that the bible says that he obviously wasn't medically dead (John 19:34) and survived his crucifixion (Matt 28:9-10, Mark 16:14, Luke 24:36-40 John 21) and went fishing with his mates after recuperating?

Or do you think that the story about the donkey riding "King of the Jews" was just a fantasy like the stories about Harry Potter and the Lord of the Rings?

 

Whatever the true and living God commands is the simple truth.

 

Do you have any evidence he was still alive other than words in a book?

I believe that Jesus was simply a Jewish preacher. Most of the stories about miracles etc are made up to make him divine.Choose what you want to believe. If Jesus had been homosexual he would have been shunned - not followed.
What has John 19:34 got to do with it? Rigor Mortis does not start for some 2+ hours after death. Blood and water would flow if Jesus had been dead a short time. The other references are written to show that Jesus had risen from the dead - not that he was still alive. Mark 16:14 is followed by 16;19 where Jesus is received back into heaven. Luke 24. After the episode he was 'parted from them and carried up into heaven'. John 20:17 ''Touch me not for Iam not yet to my Father'.

 

Or we could listen to the testimonies of his Apostles that he rose and appeared to them eight times over the course of about forty days. They touched him, felt his wounds, ate with him, spoke with him and watched him ascend in a cloud to heaven. Of course these are voices from the past which were written down for posterity. We are the posterity. So we can either believe them or speculate about it or suspend judgment in consideration in accordance with our several stations in life. Not everyone is prepared at once. Whether we accept it or reject it, the offer remains standing, and has for two thousand years.

 

Hardly written for posterity. . The early Christians believed Jesus would return 'soon'.

 

We don't know that. Most of the deaths of the Apostles are simply 'by tradition', and 'tradition' has it that Matthew alone suffered and died in about 8 different ways.

 

IOW that's just your personal opinion about a story in a book, even if the story is purely fictional. But either way, if the story says that he went fishing with his mates after he was crucified, then the story says that he obviously wasn't dead and therefore survived the crucifixion as recorded for other victims. Even Blind Freddy can see that, and nothing you say will ever convince me otherwise, unless you can show me a death certificate and/or an ECG record or brain scan. And I stopped believing in fairies and Santa and magic over 70 years ago.

And John 19:34 says that blood suddenly flowed out, and was under pressure and that the heart was therefore still functioning
John 19:34 NIV "Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water."

And it's just personal opinion and choice what you prefer to believe about the story, and whether or not you just reject the story about the donkey riding "King of the Jews" going fishing with his mates after being resuscitated by Joseph and Nicodemus. But that's the only interpretation that makes any sense to me, given all the inconsistencies and contradictions in the four versions of the story.

 

IOW the story says that he wasn't dead when he was removed after the crucifixion (John 19:34) which only lasted about 6 hours instead of 2 to 5 days, and he was then resuscitated by Joseph and Nicodemus (John 19:39-40). But how did he ascend to the cloud, and did he use a balloon or a plane, or did he use a flying pig?