God created sin - Change my mind

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  1. Mitty

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    When did he come down from the cloud?

    9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
     
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    Jesus was in a upright position on the cross. The blood would flow by gravity combined with the water.

    . I agree with you that there are inconsistences in the stories I have said before that Jesus was a Jewish preacher. No more. I believe the Gospels tell the story of his life as a preacher. They add the nativity stories, and miracles to m\ake readers believe he was divine. I don't believe he was. In my opinion he was born in a village called Bethlehem which was about 5 miles from Nazareth, not in Bethlehem Ephratah 90 miles farther south near Jerusalem. He grew up to be a teacher/Rabbi. He died as the result of crucifixion. Period. The rest is made up.
     
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    To "come in like manner" means to return as he went (in a cloud) which he has yet to do. So as his Apostles saw him go, a future generation will see him return or "come" in a cloud. One can only speculate as to the nature of the cloud. Is it vapor like the clouds in the sky. Or might it be the cloud of men's disbelief, thru which they will perceive Jesus Christ despite their suspicions. Whatever the case, according to prophecy, he will return. And it will be real as opposed to conceptually.
     
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    So how long did Jesus stay in the cloud before he came down (Acts 1:9-11), and was that before or after he went fishing with his mates (John 21)?
     
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    The stories about him visiting and going fishing with his mates etc (John 20-21) may be just imaginative embellishments to the story about the donkey-riding "King of the Jews". But if there is any credibility to those stories then he survived his crucifixion like other recorded survivals, and which lasted only 6 or so hours, and not 2-5 days as normal. And since you claim that the Romans had no need or desire to crucify him, perhaps they helped him to survive by removing him after only 6 hours.

    And unless you have any actual evidence that he didn't visit his mates and go fishing with them after the crucifixion, then the story says he survived the crucifixion, given that John 19:34 says blood flowed out under pressure and that his heart was therefore still functioning.

    But either way, he didn't claim to be a god or to be without sin (Mark 10:17-188)), and only claimed to be a prophet, even though his parents and family didn't believe him (Matt 13:57) - which the cherry pickers ignore.
     
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    He'd been dead when he wrote it.


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    But for more than a century, scholars have generally agreed that the Gospels, like many of the books of the New Testament, were not actually written by the people to whom they are attributed. In fact, it seems clear that the stories that form the basis of Christianity were first communicated orally, and passed down from generation to generation, before they were collected and written down.
    https://www.history.com/news/who-wrote-the-bible
     
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    Except I provide data with links to what I post.
    You tell others to go find stuff you post about. Because no one can find it. Not even you.
     
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    It is bigotry to not follow the religion of the Hebrews/Jews as the are the original chosen people of this god.

    All other interpretations are a spin of the original.
    But everyone is entitled to their beliefs and reasonings.
     
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    Judaism is a multi layered religion that didn't begin and end at Genesis. It advanced and gathered over four thousand years, with16 prophets, and 66 books, culminating in the Jewish Messiah. Even in Judaism itself, the numbers of differing denominations are so numerous that they aren't numbered. So which one of those many do you think is "chosen by God". Are you God to say?
     
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    Better to utter nonsense than to be fooled by it, eh?
     
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    It's your story, not mine. But how did he get up to the cloud and how did he get down?
     
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    Which is why the 10 commandments etc were just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham etal and their ancestors.
     
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    That's your story, not mine.
     
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    Abraham predates Moses by four hundred years. The ten commandments were for the Jews who had gone away from God and needed to be instructed. Abraham needed no such instruction. BTW, all the commandments were good.
     
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    IOW the ten commandments etc were just man-made given it wasn't morally wrong for Abraham to have sex with his sister Sarah and for Noah to have sex with his sister Naamah. Nor was it morally wrong for Cainan to kill his brother Abel (Genesis 4:15-16) and for Noah's father to kill a young bloke (Genesis 4:23-24).
    And Jesus said that every jot and tittle still applies till heaven and earth pass when all is fulfilled (Matt 5:17-19) including the commandments to abort the pregnancies of adulteresses (Leviticus 20:10, Numbers 5:20-288)).
     
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    One idiot's opinion.
     
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    What do you want to know?
     
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    Jesus Christs gospel doesn't call us to excuse, rationalize away, and persist in our sins, but to repent of them, cease their practice and put them away. The choice is ours though.
     
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    Same with Christianity. And Islam. So many variations of the same god.

    None are chosen by god actually.
    Even in christianity, there are some that are not considered christian religions. Like JW or Latter day saints.
    Because their variations are out in left field.

    Religions are man made. God is believed to be for a specific religion. No matter how many religions believe in that same god.
     
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    You've been asked to show what you've been stating.
    You ignored and did ad hom attacks as responses.
    If you really are looking to show you know what you post about, you'd go back and answer those who ask you questions.
    That is if, you are serious.
    Or you can just ignore and do ad hom attacks all you want.
     
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    You're dumber than Nancy Pelosi's botox needle. Go piss up a rope.
     
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    I knew you can't back up your claims.
    Because you don't know what you post about.

    That's why your responses have to be ad hom attacks.
     
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    I've already explained why Pilate had Jesus crucified. To save his own skin. If the religiously heirarchy had complained to Caesar he would have been in trouble. The last thing Rome wanted was uproar in Palestine. again.

    Where's your evidence he did. And the blood does not congeal for some time after death and gravity and water would set it flowing.

    Mark 14:61-62. Jesus claims to be Jahwehs Son. . There are also other rreferences for the claim.
     
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    This is where the Bible contradicts itself. Apart from the fact Abraham and Moses did not exist, both genealogies - Matthew and Luke have a continuous stream of 'begats'. However this stream is not true in either case if - as the Bible says - Israel were in Egypt 430+ years. Neither genealogy accounts for that time.
     

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