Good for Strzok!

Contrary to your typically false claim, all of the indictments and pleas have to do with Russia. and most have connection to Trump's presidential campaign.

When you campaign manager is a bag man for the Russians.........

 

Not at all. I just think the comment was so absurd that I am betting you are not stupid enough to believe it.

 

Context does not improve either the stupidity or malice of Trump's remarks.

 

LOL, more FAIL! Not one indictment of Trump associates has anything to do with Russia.

 

Laundering Russian money has nothing to do with Russia.

Okay.

Lying to the FBI about conversations with Russian agents has nothing to do with Russia.

Okay.

 

LOL, keep trying. It’s fun to watch.

 

Glad you're having fun. Please, keep wagging your chin.

 

I don’t attack the President without context. I don’t attack his tweets either.

 

The BS begins with people like Strzok, his obvious bias, for clinton, against trump. He was not signaling an objective high level FBI official being involved in both investigations. Quite the contrary, and that does have relevance even if you have decided to just ignore it. It should be important, and is important, and it does have relevance.

I watched some of that hearing, and as usual, it was broken down along partisan lines, and what did it yield for partisan voters? Well, you can see what it yielded here in this thread. Trump people ate it up and see it as a win for their team, and you and other's perception is opposite of that.

So what did I, a non partisan, a non member of either party perceive? A nefarious bias that should never be be tolerated in an institution like the FBI. A poisoning, and I mean it is a poisoning. Such a hard bias has to be a poison, and I do believe you think that as well.

But the important part is that you are absolutely right in what you said. Only hard evidence matters. And there is either hard evidence of an illegal collusion, a conspiracy, or there isn't. But don't forget one important fact, a bias can insure that even if nothing is discovered in regards to the original reason for this investigation, that bias will go beyond what would be "normal" for such an investigation and attempt to branch it out in order to find ANYTHING on trump, to use for political reasons. Legal or illegal. And this is where hatred and bias by investigators, can and does affect any investigation, given the huge pasture they are given in this particular kind of investigation.

Anytime a "doubt" can be injected into either this SC investigation or the FBI investigation of both trump and hillary, because of an evidenced partisan bias, that causes great harm upon this institution. You should never want americans to lose all trust in such an institution such as the FBI, and that is exactly what has happened, and it is because of people like Strzok and Page, and who knows what others?

This should not be a partisan issue at all, and yet that is exactly what it has turned into, with perhaps neither side being responsible enough to admit the obvious, and the destructive nature of such people as those in question. The obvious is the harm that this has created in regards to an american public who many do not trust their own gov't, its institutions, for their beliefs have just been evidenced as reality.

Not that average americans matter or count for much, with this gov't given to us by both parties. A representative form of democratic gov't that has been proven using congressional record as refusing to represent american citizens NOT in the upper middle or upper class. And if DC refuses to represent the majority of its citizens, then you in reality no longer have a republic, but something else, and this circus involving biased top level FBI people just is even more evidence of that.

Of course neither tribe, the partisan driven voters really care about it. That much is painfully obvious and only once again shows the irresponsible and even destructive nature of hyper tribalized partisanship. Either side would destroy trust in gov't and really do not give a damn, as they are tied in political combat, and driven into idiocy and total irresponsibility.

I don't think it is overstating it to say that partisanship, at this level, is so destructive and an illustration of utter stupidity, and illustrates a lack of moral compasses and overt jejune behavior coming from both sides. Currently, it is the left side who are the winners in this endeavor to destroy, what is left of a tattered republic. And they could not care less! Their hatred of trump consumes them, turning them into irrational, illogical, incoherent americans, who are destructive and intolerable. A clear and present danger born and created by nothing more than partisanship and hatred.

And like any tin foil hat wearer, even if no hard evidence is found to back their partisan driven beliefs about the trump russia conspiracy theory, they will not accept it, a large portion of them, who inhabit political forums. Ignore-ance protecting human stupidity.

For me, I will accept what hard evidence proclaims. And will not create another conspiracy theory to justify a belief. But for you personally, I do not believe you would go this route, and would accept hard evidence for or against what you might believe. But you may be the exception here, IMO.

I just hope you never proclaim Strzok was an unbiased high level FBI employee. Or that such a hard bias should ever be tolerated in the FBI. And it was a very hard bias, that much is self evident, and these people convict themselves, by their own words. And makes such people in those positions unfit to serve the People. And even destructive of what our form of gov't is supposed to be.

 

I s'pose you're right. Gerrymandering saved the Constitution. Citizens United saved the Constitution. And an effort by an unpopular "president" to act as an authoritarian strongman against the entire judiciary also saves the Constitution.

You need to stop listening to fake news.

 

I really hope you aren't eventually forced by events to regret your words.

 

LMAO, the real grilling happened once he went home and his wife kicked him in the balls Alimony and child support is going to rupt his nasty ass! We will see how he is smiling once that court order is issued!

 

Sure, that's a big deal because no other POTUS has had corrupt people in their "orbit", been corrupt themselves, nor do we have endemic corruption in our normally corruption free government.

We just had an administration, department of "justice", and what is supposed to be our most ethical group of law enforcement officers try to sway a presidential election.

But sure, let's talk about Manafort.

 

Oh hell, we all know you don't mean that, the leftist pray to whatever 12 times a day that the right has to eat their words

 

I disagree. The electoral college selected a president AGAIN against the will of the people, the man they selected is unfit and they should have seen it as so many others did, our ties with allies are being shredded while ties to tyrants are being cultivated, our top intelligence professionals are being falsely vilified, the military went into damage control mode after he threatened our NATO agreements, congress is doing nothing to rein him in thanks to gerrymandering and other political tricks that allowed wingnuts to take control, and efforts to actually correct the situation in a lawful and Constitutional manner are being threatened (Mueller investigation). This has been developing for a year and a half and although support for him and his horrific offenses is that of a minority, nobody seems capable of getting rid of him. We have seen this country go from the best and most powerful in the world to one that seems determined to join the third world, but while armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons.

I call that a continuing failure of our Constitution.

 

Sure. He's in jail.

He's in jail for things that thousands of people, right now, are still doing in DC.

He's not in jail because of what he did. He's in jail because he dared help get Trump elected.

The truth is that a certain group of people in our government think they get to decide how our government is run, not us.

I find it odd that so many support them. I wonder if they think they'll benefit.

You want to know what I support? I support the side that opposes this.

Here's your "american patriot". I didn't serve with that.

 

The arrest of Trump's campaign chairman for possible crimes including ones involving Russian ties "has nothing to do with Trump and his associates"????? LOL!!!!

And the sun has nothing to do with the day.

 

I don't know what you're basing these claims on. Everything I saw demonstrated exactly the opposite.

 

And what president has ever conferred regularly with a leading talk show extremist to share talking points before? This is sane and competent presidential behavior? LOL!!!

 

You do realize that being reassigned to Human Resources is a punishment, right? No self-respecting agent wants to be assigned there, and only those guilty of the most severe offenses are sent there. It's only one step above being summarily fired.

 

Still not up to speed?

 

If you say so.

 

Twelve more Russians have been indicted for interfering with our election and attempting to steal sensitive or classified information. That makes the total 25 Russians indicted.

And it's "nothing about Russia at all" according to you and @Hoosier8 and your cohort. LOL!!

 

Can you recall when those possible or alleged infractions occurred? Were they a direct result of his position in the Trump org? I know you also know this not to be the case. So, what again, is your point?

 

I can't wait to see it play out in court. Help us again with where the Mueller team are in delivering the discovery back to the courts on the original batch??

Ill say this. If a foreign national interfered, they should be identified, and prosecuted. Now explain why you only apply that standard to the election process for mr Trump? Is or was Hillary, or any of the other candidates for that matter, immune to or why exclude them from your standard?