GOP Favorability hits new low

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  1. Taxcutter

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    Our 9 month school years are a hangover from the 19th and early 20th century practice of using child labor of farms.

    Pre-industrialist life:
    Child labor was a fixture.
    12-14 hour work days, six days a week were common.
    Farming is hardly the way to get rich.
    A life expectancy of 45 for men and 35 for women.
    Slavery was economically viable in the South
    Cities were horribly polluted and unhealthy

    Life after Carnegie, Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, Ford and Durant was considerably better than life in the 1820s.
     
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    "Conservatives are flocking away from the GOP."

    Taxcutter says:
    I agree. The old-line "me-too" GOP isn't getting it done. Hence the strength of the Tea Party with its lean agenda. the sooner the Tea Party get s the takeover completed, the better.
     
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    I completely agree with you. It's unacceptable. Thing is, all of the liberals I've heard discuss the issue seem to agree with you and me. Not sure what liberals you're referring to.
     
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    This forum's ultra liberals read bull(*)(*)(*)(*) articles like below, and that is how the narrative is started. I would hope all Americans would be outraged over this because the IRS affects all of our lives.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/21/irs-inspector-general-darrell-issa_n_3315370.html
     
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    Since 2009, facing already very low favorable ratings, Republicans have gone all in on partisan obstructionism. The advantage to such an approach is that it weakens the perceived effectiveness and bipartisanship of the other party ("they can't get any Republican support", "Democrats aren't getting it done", "blah blah blah"). Their #1 goal, as documented, was not to do anything positive but to make President Obama a one-term president. The drawback to this approach is it keeps their own party's reputation low, and they hope to rely on disenfranchising enough Democratic and Independent voters to win an election, while keeping their base foaming at the mouth. Republicans have offered virtually nothing positive with regards to any policies that might help the country.

    They had some success with obstructionism in 2010, but it became an epic failure in 2012. Now Republicans ratings seem to have reached or exceeded new lows. I'm not the least bit surprised nor do I feel sorry for them.
     
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    Of course, I do occasionally lie. I would never try to imply I don't.

    I don't think there are very many people on this planet that haven't lied at least once or twice throughout their lives.

    Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's why I really don't want a country that is ruled by only one, or a few people.
     
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    Awesome post!
     
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    Yes. And people with a modicum of intelligence would be sharp enough to realize I have always maintained that Obama & Co. Lied about Benghazi. But if you don't agree with the mantras 100%, the whackjobs will instantly label you a liberal. It's what they've been programmed to do since back when Glenn Beck was on the air.

    Yeah that would be great if it applied to the whackjobs in the Tea Party. Someone with those views is considered a Liberal or RINO by those calling themselves "Conservative" nowadays.
    As mentioned, it was exactly those whackjobs who insisted Romeny talk about gay marraige instead of the economy. You know, their view that the government should be BIG and INTRUSIVE in the ways they like. Not much "less government" there.
     
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    Nobody in the Tea Party wanted Romney to talk about gay marriage. Maybe the so-called "religious right," but not the Tea Party.
     
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    That's not Obama, its the military. Benghazi wasn't Obama, it was someone else. The IRS issues weren't Obama, it was someone else. Tax increases were someone else. The AP scandal were just some dudes. Obama is insulated from all fault for anything that happens. What a brilliant man=)
     
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    ^^^This. Pure truth!
     
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    i think he's on to something
     
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    Do you really think I want corrupt government?

    Really?
     
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    The free stuff talk is part of what makes people not turn on Obama and the Dems! It's been six months and people still haven't learned.
     
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    i think you want less regulation, which would likely lead to more corruption
     
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    I want more regulation of government.

    We need handcuffs for the government workers in the Obama White House and the IRS.

    As for more or less regulation of the private sector it is the intrusiveness of government that motivates industry to buy or bend politicians in the first place.

    Bill Gates never got involved with government until the Clintons attacked his company in the 1990's.

    After that Gates began investing in lobbyists to make sure he got his way as much as possible.
     
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    the company got in trouble for trying to limit competition through unfair business practices
     
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    I'm talking about steel mills...where men had to urinate on the mill floor because they weren't allowed to take a pee break. Even a farmer could stop plowing to take a whizz.

    And I'm talking about CHILDREN working COAL MINES.....and I notice you ignored the other questions.

    Because you have no answers. You ACTUALLY believe the 1890s industrial US was some kind of "paradise".....naturally...you never lived in it or even learned any facts about it.
     
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    Or at least that's what the Clintonista's claimed.

    I notice that Gates has moved to the left since then and now shares a lot of his wealth with the Democrats and leftwing causes.

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    Children worked in mines for a thousand years before the Industrial Revolution came along.

    Do you think the Egyptians working on the pyramids were well treated?

    They did what the government told them to do and did it till they died.

    Liberalis want a socialist nirvana where everyone makes the same no matter how much or how little they contribute to the pie and that has never worked.
     
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    Good point. The air and water have been a little too clean lately.
     
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    The ones I feel sorry for are the middle class and the poor. The republicans have decided to paralyze the country of any policy going forward, therefore nothing happens for them. We need a coupe of the republican party. They are keeping us back for their own self interests, and people know it.
     
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    Not too clean, but very clean.

    Libs have no sense of balance.

    They just want what they want and don't what the unintended consequences are.

    Such as all our good factory jobs moving to China leaving Americans to grovel for minimum wage jobs at Walmart.
     
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    they and many others claimed it because it's true



    Published on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 by the New York Times

    Newly Released Documents Shed Light on Microsoft Tactics
    by John Markoff

    Even as Microsoft prepares to face penalties from the European Union, which accuses the company of abusing the Windows monopoly, new details about the tactics Microsoft used to secure a dominant position in software markets for nearly two decades are emerging in a state courthouse in Minneapolis.

    All of Microsoft's conduct was designed to acquire and hang on to their monopoly. Consumers were harmed by being deprived of choice.

    Eugene Crew, a lawyer at Townsend, Townsend & Crew

    Testimony during the second week of trial in the consumer class-action lawsuit in Minnesota has revealed some embarrassing internal documents from Microsoft which were not disclosed in the bitter 1997 federal antitrust lawsuit that focused on the company's attempt to control the browser markets in the 1990's.

    Among the documents introduced in court this week was a letter from June 1990 in which Bill Gates, Microsoft's chairman, told Andrew S. Grove, the chief executive of Intel at the time, that any support given to the Go Corporation, a Silicon Valley software company, would be considered an aggressive move against Microsoft.

    Other evidence presented by the plaintiffs' lawyers at trial yesterday gave an account of how Microsoft violated a signed secrecy agreement with Go and showed that Microsoft possessed technical documents from Go that it should not have had access to.

    A Microsoft spokeswoman said that many of these newly disclosed documents were not relevant to the trial, which focuses on Microsoft pricing actions.

    "These are very old documents, taken out of context for the sole purpose of obscuring the real issue of this case," said Stacy Drake, the Microsoft spokeswoman.

    But lawyers for the plaintiffs contend that the documents show how Microsoft unfairly dominated the market. "All of Microsoft's conduct was designed to acquire and hang on to their monopoly,'' said Eugene Crew, a lawyer at Townsend, Townsend & Crew, based in San Francisco. "Consumers were harmed by being deprived of choice. The greatest harm out of the Go story was the suppression of innovation and new technology by Microsoft."

    Microsoft has already paid $1.6 billion in its efforts to settle consumer antitrust claims filed in 10 states.

    The new lawsuit, which contends that Microsoft overcharged Minnesota customers from 1994 to 2001, seeks almost $500 million from the company. If the company, based in Redmond, Wash., loses, it could also be forced to pay triple that amount under Minnesota state law.

    This week, the lawyers representing the Minnesota consumers are focusing on Microsoft's efforts to undercut Go, a start-up company that was developing an operating system for hand-held computers.

    The first witness appearing at the trial yesterday was Jerry Kaplan, the co-founder of Go. Mr. Kaplan, who was a software developer at the Lotus Development Corporation before he started Go, has been a longtime opponent of Microsoft.

    Yet he said he was surprised by what was revealed about Microsoft's activities in the documents. "I was shocked," Mr. Kaplan said in a telephone interview. "This was a corporate mugging that went uncorrected and unknown."

    The events surrounding the failure of Go have often been cited as a reason for the animosity between Silicon Valley executives and Microsoft. Go was one of the most prominent efforts by Silicon Valley entrepreneurs and venture capitalists to create software for tablet-sized devices. In addition to an all-star cast of technologists, the start-up had backing from major industry players like I.B.M., Intel and AT&T.


    more at: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0324-02.htm
     
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    that motivates industry to buy or bend politicians in the first place.

    Bill Gates never got involved with government until the Clintons attacked his company in the 1990's.

    After that Gates began investing in lobbyists to make sure he got his way as much as possible.[/QUOTE]
     
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    “i think you want less regulation, which would likely lead to more corruption”

    Taxcutter says:
    You flunk sixth grade algebra. You cannot tell a proportional equation from an inverse equation.

    Corruption is proportional to government power. More government power leads to more corruption. Less government power leads to less corruption. Power corrupts.



    “I want more regulation of government.”

    Taxcutter says:
    More effective and efficient to simply deprive government of such power.




    “You ACTUALLY believe the 1890s industrial US was some kind of "paradise"

    Taxcutter says:
    Compared to 1820s agrarian America it was.
    BTW, farm work is every bit as dangerous and grueling as that in coal mines.



    “The air and water have been a little too clean lately.”

    Taxcutter asks:
    What does that have to do with Bill Gates? Are you pathologically unable to stay on-topic?




    “The ones I feel sorry for are the middle class and the poor.”

    Taxcutter says:
    Reduction of government would do wonders for the middle class.
     

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