GOP unable to find a single case of someone hurt by ObamaCare

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  1. goober

    goober New Member

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    Well, it's happened again, remember the "Death TAX" the GOP campaign to repeal a tax that is only paid by people who inherit millions of dollars?
    They whined about family businesses being sold, and farms that had been in families for decades being sold to pay the tax bill.
    Such events weren't rare, they were non-existent.
    And Now across the country in Town Halls, in TV Ads, actors are pretending to be people who have been hurt by ObamaCare, not re-enacting true stories, just pretending. And the stories being told by GOP politicians at Town Halls, when they get checked out, just aren't true.
    Plan A, wait for ObamaCare to collapse, isn't working.
    And there is no plan B.
    So Conservatives are having actors pretend to lose their insurance.....
    But, there are people who believe it's real, they'll be posting here soon.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/opinion/krugman-health-care-horror-hooey.html?
     
  2. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    Shhhhh, don't use common sense it hurts GOP peoples little heads.

    Seriously paying more here or losing a doctor there is not the end of the world as for job losses there are also chances at job gains from things like expanding Medicaid billions of dollars going to states will have a positive impact for example the need for more health care jobs and many of those pay over the minimum wage if one is an LPN for example. And more people working there means more money those people can spend on the state economies in other areas. Shifts in work large scale is not new it seems to happen and some will lose, some gain and many will just move to other areas of employment.

    But being poor and not having preventative care and access to doctors can cause more suffering and harm which is the ppoint of the law if your talking low income people.
     
  3. Pork_Butt

    Pork_Butt Active Member

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    If it's so great, why has Obama put off fully enactment of it until after the next presidential elections?
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    you can't be serious. The individuals and families it hurt were the ones that had health insurance and who under obamacare don't qualify for premium assistance and their plan options have higher premiums, higher deductibles and higher co-payments.
     
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    oops forgot to reply to the subject of thread. There are too many incidents of individuals and families that have been hurt by obamacare to mention. The subject of the thread is simply a lie.
     
  8. goober

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    If there are people like that why doesn't the GOP use them?
    Why do they make up stories instead?
     
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    :popcorn:
     
  10. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    From todays healthcare.gov FB page.

    Meredith Schaefer Todd
    This is absolutely the worst experience I've been through. As someone who has always been insured and have no pre-existing conditions, I can't believe the hours of time I've wasted with this. This type of service and pricing can not be what people thought they were getting. I want to stay home with my newborn, but to leave work and get insurance thru this terrible service almost has me changing my mind. Worthless!Like(*)·(*)4(*)·(*)Reply(*)·(*)Yesterday at 5:44pm

    https://m.facebook.com/Healthcare.g...8618336187410.24429.130163127032931&source=46

    The thread is a lie... but who's surprised?
     
  11. tkolter

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    Let me explain this its simple for a big law that is sweeping like the ACA: There will be those that lose some, some will gain some and some won't feel an impact.

    I'm hurt by the law because the Supreme Court made the Medicaid Expansion elective and Florida ,so far but they are now talking about it, didn't opt to Expand Medicaid.

    But with half the states and DC expanding Medicaid or very likely to formally do so this year, four more likely to and even Florida and Texas now seriously considering it the fight over that and the ACA is OVER. You think with a position in the majority in the House now they could force a repeal if the states give their elected Reps clear marching orders? No. And by the end of the year it will be harder. If Florida and Texas do so I expect the dominos to fall and all states expand by 2016.

    So the impacts bad and good need to be accepted.
     
  12. Smartmouthwoman

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    Obamacare: Hurting millions to help thousands.
     
  13. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't matter what part of a Repeal Proof Majority is not understood I looked at the House Seats the 25 States have a slight majority now, add in four more and I would guess Florida and Texas will its to much money to say no to its not going to go away. Period.

    Reforms are going to be made as needed but no repeal.
     
  14. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    I'm sure thats encouraging for Americans whose policies were cancelled and they cant afford the new rates. Eventually they'll die off, huh?
     
  15. tkolter

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    If its not affordable your not required to get insurance and many of these issues are STATE ones since THEY have a lot of say in insurance rates California worked with insurers and so did New York and both have widely regarded as good priced options. Florida just has ample competition in most areas. Some states have few or one option since STATES didn't use their power to help. All by the way are TAKER states who get more government funding then they pay in.

    Why blame the ACA if the States are not doing their job blame the State legislatures.
     
  16. Smartmouthwoman

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    Gotta luv that opening statement... and who exactly gets to decide whats 'affordable' for every American family?

    Don't you ever feel a little bad for cheering as the govt takes away more and more of our rights?

    Or do you consider yourself on their side, opposing American citizens?
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    do you know the difference between an Opinion and facts?

    Reason why Im asking and questioning your intelligents is you are constantly posting Opinion peace's and treat them like they are facts
    even the top of your sources says The Opinion Pages

    You really need to learn the difference between Opinions and Facts and maybe people on these forums would take you more serious
     
  18. tkolter

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    https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/

    If the lowest cost plans premiums would cost more than 8% of your income you don't have to get coverage under the rules the government has in place. So in your income is $100,000 and the cheapest option you have is over $8000 a year you are exempted.

    There are in fact many exemptions and hardship protections.

    And I'm poor one right I should have is medical coverage for medical issues so no I have no issues supporting a stronger and more powerful central government since I'm a Socialist, its just your adding some rights the right from lack of needs being met for other ones. And I'm a native born American citizen so they are not opposing me but my state is since Florida didn't expand Medicaid - yet.
     
  19. Smartmouthwoman

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    Nobody is opposing you. If you get sick or hurt, you can go to the ER of any county hospital and be seen by a doctor. Just like you always could before Obamacare tripled some folks insurance policies.

    For Obama so loved the poor, he made millions more... Obamacare.
     
  20. tkolter

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    But if the poor and lower income have Medicaid or an Exchange Plan the Hospital will get money where in my case ,unless I get Medicaid under the State rules, they get NOTHING. The Hospital, Rehab Center, all the medical providers and labs get NOTHING. And they pass on the costs to those who can pay.

    Medicaid may not be much I get that but its better than NOTHING.

    And I sent a link if your wealthy as a family and earn a staggering $100k ,staggering to me, you can afford a couple thousand a year for an Exchange plan if you need to get one.
     
  21. Smartmouthwoman

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    LOL @ staggering $100K. Four Walmart clerks sharing a house pull down $100k.

    So are you saying you prefer to take money from hard working American tax payers rather than accept charity? Charity has always provided care for indigent patients. Not to mention property owners, who pay taxes to support county hospitals.

    Do you think I can expect my property taxes to go down now that poor people have health insurance?

    Fat chance.

    Tax on top of tax is what we got with OCare.
     
  22. tkolter

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    I applied for Medicaid, SSI (under consideration of my advice on ability to work from doctors and a physical therapist), will apply for SNAP once I get Medicaid and go after a Free Cell Phone in short I have no issues taking what benefits I need from the government. As long as its determined I need them under the rules.

    And a $100k IS to me a lot of money I never earned much over $10k and that was decades ago its been downhill as my health slowly got worse. Its all up to ones perspective.

    And not all counties have county hospitals we don't have one, we go to non-profit hospitals which generally must provide care but then well the bills come. The only advantage is being a pauper now since none have a hope of collecting they generally give up.
     
  23. goober

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    Yeah, I do, it's when reporters track down the people who the GOP was using as examples and find out that they are actually better off under ObamaCare than they were before. That's a fact.
    That the GOP hasn't come up with a bad ObamaCare story that has withstood scrutiny, that's a fact.
    When people say millions will be hurt by ObamaCare, that's an (uninformed) opinion.
     
  24. Smartmouthwoman

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    Actual its more like denial. Why would Americans take the side of Big Brother over that of their fellow citizens? Do you really think the government is more honest than the avg citizen?

    If so, I've got some beachfront property in AZ I'd like to talk to you about.

    https://m.facebook.com/Healthcare.g.../www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov&soft=jewel=2
     
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    Republicans never wanted to repeal the ACA, only make it worst for citizens. They could have easily found real stories of real people that are worst off now then before this mandate. The fact is Republicans do not care and wanted those ads debunked. Its all been a dog and pony show for the gullible public. The entire administration has been dishonest from the start and they had too in order to pull off the biggest scam in history on the public.
     

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