GUN CONTROL; Liberal gun grabbers have lost

Dear forum members

Having followed the US gun debate for years now it has become clear that those who seek to restrict the ability of Americans to have guns have lost the debate in most areas.

1/ While strict gun control does indeed reduce deaths throughout the world this is not possible in the US.

2/ Gun control is a foolish and pointless exercise in a huge liberal freedom loving nation awash with guns.

3/ These little measures to restrict access to assault rifles or to increase verification are complete nonsense - one doesnt even need an assault rifle to kill in large numbers. And one doesnt need to break the law re guns in order to carry out a massacre.

4/ Even if they really wanted to - the left has no chance in hell of restricting gun availability across the country.

5/ In this debate, chicago gun violence does not count. This is inter gang violence between criminals who effectively operate beyond the law, the victims of this are collateral damage of the cross fire.

ALL OF THIS IS NOT CONTROVERSIAL

Sooo dear Liberals & Conservatives

Given all that; time for ideas, what other ways can we find to reduce massacres in the US?

 

I agree, time to end background checks and time to stop denying people the "right" to own guns based on their mental state or past crimes

if they are free Americans, then have a constitutional right to bear arms

want to make it a privilege, you have to remove it from the constitution first

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"These little measures to restrict access to assault rifles or to increase verification are complete nonsense - one doesnt even need an assault rifle to kill in large numbers. And one doesnt need to break the law re guns in order to carry out a massacre.'

Then there is no real need for assault rifles in civilian hands?

 

That counts for Muslim terrorists, white supremacists, gang bangers and the rest.

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You make a lot of blanket assertions with absolutely no supporting facts.

 

if they are guilty of such crimes, arrest them and put them behind bars.....

 

The Math supports the assertion that gun control is a false narrative. I agree that the gun control not only has lost but have been decimated.

 

There are over 300 million guns in the US, you will never get them but as a percentage basis it is close to what its always been so what has changed?

The loss of morals and values. In 1950 it would be rare to find someone willing to shoot up a bunch of people but today we do not value human life as much.

Why is that?

A return to conservatism is our only hope....otherwise we must simply accept these mass murders.

Liberalism kills

 

I've said for a long time and I'm still convinced that the biggest problem with gun violence in America rests most with the people. No I don't mean "guns don't kill people, people kill people" (true statement though.) What I mean is that based upon news reports from all over the world the Unites States has one of the biggest problems with racial issues than anyone. (May have changed now with the Syrian refugees though) The United States abolished slavery on 1865, but we still hear about it regularly when white on black issues occur. Great Britain by comparison abolished slavery in 1833 (just 30 yrs difference), and I can't find a news source discussing the racial tensions there and slavery as the root.

It also appears according US media that the racial issue isn't even among all racial groups; some are discriminated against more than others. Until "We the People" can get past out differences, we will always have a violence problem. (some of it with guns) Of course today people want to be segregated also. If they didn't we wouldn't have all of the racial sub-classifications that we have now. If you are a United States citizen the answer to the question...."What are you"...should be "I'm an American". Instead we break people down to their racial sub-groups and many voluntarily do it; so we have African-AMERICAN, Asian-AMERICAN, Native-AMERICAN......we're all AMERICAN and until we act like it we'll have issues.

 

We did not have this amount of mass murders at the height of racial tension in the US.

Your theory does not hold.

 

^This.

We can live in a culture that respects human life or we can live in a progressive culture, but we cannot do both. That's called trying to have your cake and eat it too. And as long as people insist on clinging to the vices that rot their character from the inside, you can pass all the laws you want and very little will change to stop these horrible events. Because the real change has to come from inside the hearts of the people. They have to recognize the inherent value of human life. The goal shouldn't be to physically restrain people from killing. It should be to make them not even want to kill at all. To see themselves in other people. To reconnect them to their humanity.

 

The left has been attacking the pillars that hold up the foundation of Western society for over 50 years. Family, religion, education, culture, and anything else that would unify a people and a society have been declared war on. Now we have a country where Bolshevik socialists are forced to live amongst people who are right wing. Muslims who have to live amongst Jews and Christians. Different races who are all told the white majority is the problem, and that they should keep their cultures in tact in order to establish "multiculturalism". The majority is being pressured to learn Spanish, as we can't even rally behind a unified language anymore.

It's not a surprise that society has devolved in this way. The answer, however, is not to take guns away, as if that is even an possibility.

 

1. False. Strict gun control law hasn't saved any lives through out the world, they just changed the weapons used. Like others, you Googled violent gun crime. Next time Google violent crime without the 'gun' qualifier.

3. True. Bombs can kill more people than a rifle.

 

yep, no need to have a car that goes faster then the speed limit, I mean they must all plan to break the law if they have one

 

Ridiculous nonsense. There are far more guns available now then in the past. The industry has been developing and producing vast numbers. And the American consumer can afford one more then ever too.

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Nonsense. Strict gun control reduces the availability of gun violence. I never said it reduced violence per se.

My country has very few guns and this few gun deaths. Plenty of violence though.

 

Pre-industrial revolution almost every household had a gun.....in the 90% percentile. Far more than today.

 

Rubbish. You cannot as a conservative influence American culture. Its a stupid pipe dream.

American culture is vast and young and very diverse and what's more you conservative people have nothing to offer but ignorance.

Therefore I suggest you quit whining about culture and come up with some real ideas.

 

America has always been young, vast and diverse but we never had mass shootings before.

What changed?

 

And today while not every household has a gun. There were far fewer people. There today are vast stock piles across the country. American citizens can and do own mini arsenals. Far more than yesterday

 

When America was less "diverse", less "vast", and less "young" (liberal-speak for "liberal"), we had less of these kinds of shootings, even though guns have always been there. Clearly something changed after the progressive social revolution of the 1960's, and the demographic change that was foisted upon a population that never got to vote on it.

 

I have no idea where to get a gun....so how come when more people had access to them we didn't see as many mass shootings?

 

Wrong. America has never been so vast so young (in culture) and so diverse.

 

US School shootings were not rare in the 50's.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

 

Many things have indeed changed. The atomisation of society for one. A consequence of modern capitalism and something you can't change

 

Five steps to stop most of the mass murders ( which can easily be done without a gun involved at all!):

1] End Affirmative Action and all other forms of Racial Preferences and Official Racial Differential Treatment

2] Impeach and Remove from Office Barrack Obama.

3] Revoke all current foreign worker visas.

4] Place a 40 year moratorium on ALL and Any form of Legal Immigration into the United States.

5] Deport any person who is illegally in the United States.

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