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Gun lovers in denial

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by theferret, Jul 27, 2015.

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    my kid has about 1000 rounds through automatic weapons. a kindly vet who used to work at the range where my son grew up shooting had a nice collection-M2-Tommy Gun, the copy of the SW 760, and an Colt sub gun (AR15 9mm) and he would often let my son shoot them. early on I would stand right behind him and then later a little further off. then again my son was at minimum 13 when this happened and already was scoring 80% with a 12 G in sporting clays and a bit higher in skeet. by the time my son shot even a full auto 22, he already had over 30,000 rounds out of a 22 pistol and rifle and 2000 12 gauge shells and at least 1000 rounds out of AR 15s, AK 74s and MI carbines.

    so I disagree about a blanket prohibition to children.
     
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    hudson1955 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have never owned a gun and only my son who hunts owns a rifle. But I will fight tooth and nail to have the right to own one per my Constitutional rights. And, by the way, Illinois/Chicago has some of the stiffest gun right laws. The crooks know that, they obtain guns illegal and the good citizens have no means of defending themselves. Hence Chicago has some of the highest deaths cause by gunshot.
     
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  3. Wolverine

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    At least those are bona fide lon gguns that can be easily controlled.
     
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  4. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    true, the SW was the closest thing to a shorter Sub gun. Oh he has shot an UZI too but with the older version with the wood stock. HE also has been trained how to lean into a SMG. ten round bursts-all in the nine ring or better on a B27 at 12 yards
     
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  6. MRogersNhood

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    Yeah,that's all hip and cool and stuff(but not really).It'd be about the same as if he was pushing Muskets in 2015.
     
    MRogersNhood, Jul 28, 2015
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A child shouldn't drown in a swimming pool either, have you ever swam in a swimming pool? Just wondering how many swimming pool nuts there are out there.
     
    AlphaOmega, Jul 28, 2015
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    Plenty of kids and others killed or injured when stupid adults let them drive cars or motorcycles.....so we should outlaw cars?
     
    Elmer Fudd, Jul 28, 2015
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  9. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    IF MOST of the people who owned swimming pools voted against the creeping crud of collectivism, I bet he'd want to ban them
     
    Turtledude, Jul 28, 2015
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  10. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I wouldn't personally let my 9 year old handle a fully automatic firearm. I feel thats a bit too much weapon for such a young age. But smaller weapons would be fine. My buddies and I used to always go out shooting with their kids in the mountains. We all brought our guns, AK's, AR's, 12ga, 20ga, glocks, judge's, etc. My friends 8 year old had a .22 rifle that he would shoot and with his father carefully playing puppet master he would let the boy shoot the larger caliber weapons. He had to pretty much hold the boy while shooting them though, not because an AK is any more dangerous than a .22 but because the recoil would kick him back. The boy was pretty damn good of a shot with his .22 to be honest. He was knocking cans and bottles down left and right.

    Some people will say that's cool, a great time, good bonding experience, etc while others will throw a tazmanian devil style fit about letting an 8 year old shoot a gun. What people need to realize is just because YOU think it's bad doesn't mean everybody should bow down to your beliefs. Not everyone is going to to raise their kids the way YOU think they should. Some parent's refuse to allow their boys to play football because of the dangers of it. Many parents have their kids in full on tackle football at 6 years old. There are 8 year old kids out there riding mini dirt bikes and ATV's. Hell a few years ago I was out boating in the gulf of mexico and my motor died on me. I was paddling back when another boat saw me and approached offering to tow me back in. Who was on board? An 11 year old and his 9 year old little brother, on a boat alone fishing in a bay in the gulf of mexico. Some parents would NEVER let their kids do that. Well some parents are different than YOU are. Stop trying to change the entire world to make it the way you specifically want it.

    If you won't allow your kids to do something then fine, but you have no right to tell other people how to raise their kids. This whole having kids live in protective little bubbles is a new modern concept anyway. Many of your grandparents did all sorts of things that would have you gasp when they were children.
     
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    Who is trying to justify this incident..... you are just making this stuff up. This happened last year, so it isn't new news.
    This range is sort of a tourist attraction that advertises just outside of Vegas with big billboards that advertise renting of full auto weapons.
    This has nothing to do with survivalists, no one is practicing anything.
    It's just a chance for people who wouldn't ordinarily have a chance to shoot full auto firearms to do so. They are rentals.

    The instructor made a mistake... pure and simple.
     
    OrlandoChuck, Jul 28, 2015
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    Sorry, but your treatise on grun control and bans on military-type weapons based on a litlle girl shooting an Uzi, does not carry much weight or merit.

    In fact, your postions are so weak, that you haven't even bothered to stay in the thread to defend them.

    I am reminded of a graffiti artist who vandalizes a wall with a spray can---then flees.
     
    Greataxe, Jul 28, 2015
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    where did the OP run off to? did the weasel go pop? you wonder about someone who starts a silly thread like this and never comes back to defend it
     
    Turtledude, Jul 28, 2015
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    True enough....but remember that 18 years old has been considered a proper age for military service for some time now.

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    You've avoided the question(s) I put forth.

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    You've avoided the question(s) I put forth.

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    Obviously, you didn't read thoroughly what I wrote. Here it is again, "And here's a thought....when we see videos of "child soldiers" in parts of Africa, or grade school kids in celebration waving and shooting automatic weapons in the Middle East, Americans are repelled and horrified. So why turn such a thing into a "game" or "entertainment" for children here?"

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    You are avoiding the question(s) I put forth.
     
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    theferret Well-Known Member

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    And unless you hunt and eat what you kill, what's the point? I ask this because you and I agree that NO child should be given a fully automatic military weapon under any circumstances, but I'm curious as to why familiarize kids with guns unless it's for food or you live in such a rural area that home protection is necessary.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    you claiming others avoided your silly rant caused my Irony Meter to blow up. we get the fact that you want to bash gun owners most likely because you are a far left liberal and most gun owners-at least the ones who support gun rights actively-are not fans of the creeping crud of collectivism. but using what was a stupid bit of bad judgment to smear gun owners is pathetic. I have yet to meet anyone who thought a girl, with no experience and of young age, should shoot an untethered SMG
     
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    theferret Well-Known Member

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    You are avoiding the points and questions I put forth.
     
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    theferret Well-Known Member

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    And since I didn't say anything about adults, you and I are in agreement on the main point I made. I don't "demonize" firearms.....but I won't excuse asinine uses of them or bogus reasons for unnecessary proliferation of them.
     
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    my 17 year old son shoots full automatics all the time. its fun. and if it upsets anti gun hysterics-even better

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    the only point you made is that you are anti gun. there is nothing to address. No one is defending an untrained child shooting a SMG
     
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    How is it any of our concern why or what they shoot? Obviously it was negligence on the part of the parent and range instructor. I live in a nice neighborhood. I haven't needed to use my gun once, but I work all over the US in some pretty bad neighborhoods. I don't know where my kids will live when they grow up. Do you?

    I'll raise my kids and you raise yours. You prepare your kids for whatever you like.
     
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    See above responses. You need to understand what is going on, then maybe you can answer the questions I put forth in the opening post.

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    You're avoiding the questions and points of the post.
     
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    theferret Well-Known Member

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    So my question in the opening post is all the more relevant to you. Care to answer it?
     
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    theferret Well-Known Member

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    Sorry to tell you but Obama INHERITED the "wars" in the Middle East courtesy of the supreme f*** up of the Bush family (with assist from Bill Clinton).

    That being said, your statement regarding the military has NOTHING to do with the little girl and the Uzi. The question(s) remain.
     
    theferret, Jul 28, 2015
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    No one will ever take you seriously when you blatantly lie. Lol I loved the one about requiring children to play with Uzis.

    (I'm going to steal this from you if you don't mind)

    newsflash:

    How's Chicago doing with gun-related incidents with their strictest guns laws?

    :)

    lol what a hilarious response.

    Come on lefties, send someone else
     
    ArmySoldier, Jul 28, 2015
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    theferret Well-Known Member

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    Pretty self explanatory to those who can read objectively. But since you have comprehension problems, I'll elucidate; the post questions the reasoning for allowing a child to "practice" with a weapon wholly constructed for warfare. Care to answer the questions put forth in the OP?
     
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