Gunman killed neighbors, child with AR-15-style rifle, sheriff says

That's your interpretation. My interpretation is that the poster used "allow" to designate that nothing was done by LE to keep him from reentering. They should have tossed his ass in jail after the first time. It might have taught him to stay OUT of our country, hence no opportunity for him to execute his five neighbors.

 

That was clearly my interpretation of what you wrote. Glad I read it right which begs the question, why others didn't understand it.

 

I don't think simply illegally entering the US 4 times allows you to be charged with a felony. Which law says that?

 

No, I had the same interpretation. I'm saying, getting into the country and not getting caught is possible without law enforcement failing or even doing their job just fine.

Maybe putting him in jail would have been a deterrent. Just like maybe more stringent gun laws would have kept a gun out of his hands. Hence no opportunity to be target shooting and murdering his neighbors.

 

There is a right way, a wrong way and a illegal way to transfer a firearm..

Facilitating Private Sales: A Federal Firearms Licensee Guide

 

And laws like "stand your ground" and "unrestricted open carry" give many shooters the excuse they need to use them

 

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No not to any other John Doe. You're not allowed to sell to a prohibited person, and if you do despite the lack of requirement to check background you are liable.
Most people check ID for a state id with the little gold star hologram indicating its voter ID. Voter = non felon, citizen, and state id = state res.

Tog: Dude. You're being obtuse here. Private sales in Texas generally avoid the background check requirement and are legal if you're not engaged in the business of arms dealing IE its just an incidental sale, not a business venture.
Because we're a free state, not a communist country.
Like the whole "its a weapon of war" and "its designed to kill" canards the grabbers like to use, this doesn't need all this fooling around. YES its legal to private sale and NO that's not an issue because its still illegal to sell to a prohibited person. Such as the illegal here.

Besides: You and I both know this winner got his gun through a straw purchase.

 

Oh, it’s a problem since it’s not a loophole but 5 violations of law before his DWI and murder spree. He should not have been here to even do this.

 

We don't know his current immigration status, so we only know of 4 deportations. It's a good bet he wasn't here legally this time if the past predicts the future. In any case, I still don't think one DWI with the previous illegal entries triggers a felony. And he shouldn't have been here, but his being here was on him. Just like his ability to get a gun may have been made easier for him with the way our gun laws only go so far on background checks. Just because he's ultimately responsible for the crime doesn't mean we shouldn't do things better, on the immigration front of gun law front.

 

Him being here NOW is the 5th.

 

Presumed, yes. We don't know his current immigration status. It's a good guess. That still isn't the point. We were discussing when it becomes a felony, that requires an aggravating offense it appears beyond simply being here illegally 4 or 5 times.

 

We do know his status, he’s not here legally. He got the gun the same way most illegals do, I’ll wager he stole it. When I was on the gang task force we pulled guns off black and Mexican gang members and they were almost always stolen, then sold or traded back and forth.

We’ve plenty of gun laws, and not enough immigration laws-this coming from someone with a legal immigrant living in my house.

 

No, not legally. Why do you keep fabricating things like that? It’s isn’t like there are new people here all the time, it’s your daily posts.

 

Seriously? Yes, we do know his status. Nobody is guessing and yes, it is the point. The first time he entered he was sent back. He reentered at least 3 more times, and it became a felony after the first reentry.
I quoted the federal statute. Post 1117.

 

Fascists like DeSantis and Abbot and the folks in wingnut media... have convinced them it's legal, even when it's not. Like this guy said before shooting half a family "My property, my rules!" The Flea Market near where I live has many stores that carry T-shirts with slogans like that on one side, and a picture of Trump or DeSantis on the other.

That is the culture that you support

 

What utter gibberish.

what’s written in the law is clear and blaming those politicians for an opinion is quite silly. They’re not suggesting anyone do anything illegal.

what that idiot said before drunkenly murdering people has nothing to do with the fact that he was illegally shooting a weapon he could not legally own in a place where it’s not legally allowed in a country he’d been removed from several times.

He was here 5 times illegally because of the culture YOU support. I’m not even a trump guy, wake up.

 

No.
The lie is from the pro gun nutter lobby and the NRA. The GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE ( aka private sale) allows felons to buy military (or “militia” grade , as per @TOG 6 ) firearms without a BACKROUND CHECK.

 

Stick a cork in the back of your head to keep what is left of your brains from trickling down onto your shoes.

The GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE allows felons to circumvent backround checks and obtain firearms to which they are denied access by law. LOOPHOLE.

 

What is written in the law makes no difference (well.... it may, but not in what I'm referring to here). The law was written for political purposes. And it's those political purposes that move these people. Republicans fascists currently in power, like those I mentioned, couldn't care less about education or about raising children. They just care about how they can use them politically to bamboozle gullible voters. This is why they pass laws with great fanfare, that don't allow teachers to teach things they weren't teaching in the first place.

 

It is said that he was just captured.

 

Yes, it's BREAKING right now. LE is planning a news conference soon.

 

its criminals who give lawful gun owners the need to use the guns

 

and you seem unable to understand that of most of our history, that was true until congress passed a law that ONLY applied to LICENSED Dealers. You also IGNORE That it remains a SERIOUS FELONY for a criminal to possess a weapon, no matter how he obtained it. Are you under the delusion that people who buy and sell narcotics without prescriptions will be unable to buy and sell firearms without background checks

 

No mention of a tipster.

'Person believed to be the man accused of killing 5 neighbors in Texas is apprehended'
Source: NBC News

"A person believed to be the man accused of killing five of his neighbors with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle in their Texas home, was apprehended by law enforcement agents Tuesday, an official said.

A person believed to be Francisco Oropesa, 38, was arrested in the city of Cut and Shoot, Texas, San Jacinto County District Attorney Todd Dillon said.

Authorities are awaiting fingerprints to confirm the person arrested is Oropesa, Dillon said. He has been taken to the Montgomery County Jail and is charged with first-degree murder, he said. If confirmed to be him, the arrest brings an end to the sprawling search that involved more than 250 law enforcement officers, the FBI and a reward of $80,000 for information.

The arrest comes four days after the Friday night carnage in which Oropesa went to the home in the Trails End area in Cleveland, about 45 miles north of Houston, and opened fire, the San Jacinto County Sheriff's Office said. Oropesa allegedly opened fire on neighbors after one complained that shots coming from his adjacent property were keeping an infant from sleeping, officials have said.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-shooting-suspect-captured-after-manhunt-rcna82214