Guns in Idaho: Common misconceptions

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    I did:
    You know you cannot honestly answer the question w/o voiding your position.
    Thank you for continuing to reinforce said point.
     
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    The left does not want to tackle the real issues that they have created which are not guns but culture and mental health. Instead they blame an inanimate object for the behavior of people.
     
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    The Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms; to ban such arms, under any level of scrutiny, fails constitutional muster.

    Why would anyone want to violate the constitution?
     
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    Pure BS. America has over the top gun death rates NOT because we are "culturally" or mentally different from the rest of the first world but because we have over the top gun ownership
     
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    Oh, and hey: Handgun, pictured below.
    Please present a sound argument for the necessity of banning it and others like it.
    (This picture has better detail than the original)

    AR Pistol.jpg
     
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    You cannot show this be true.
     
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    LOL, the old 'correlation does not imply causation' failed assault on rights. It is apparent that you don't know how your excuse does not work.
     
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    Does that mean you agree the militia should remain self-regulated?
     
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    Neither is powerful enough to be legal to hunt deer with. Any weapon legal to hunt deer with is more 'powerful', including muzzleloaders and bows.
     
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    And yet the united state supreme court ruled in Nunn that a total prohibition on private handgun ownership violated the second amendment of the united state constitution, despite handguns being unsuitable for militia or military purposes.
     
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    None of which matters.

    Again, none of which matters. The private market possesses firearms and ammunition that are far, far more powerful than any standard equipment issued to the united states military.

    Following such logic, there is absolutely no legitimate reason for fully-automatic firearms to be restricted from private ownership. If there is truly no meaningful difference, the restriction serves no purpose and should be done away with, and the private ownership of newly produced fully-automatic firearms should come to pass.
     
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    Only if up is down and black is white
     
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    Following that logic...since machine guns are regulated...semi-autos can be as well
     
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    You said congress won't regulate it because its irrelevent. Neither can congress disband it because its constitutionally protected. What other option is there besides it self regulating?
     
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    Semi-automatic firearms, just as all other firearms currently in existence, are already subject to significant regulation, and have been for decades. Therefore you are essentially arguing that you do not even know what the laws of the united states even are.
     
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    Nice non seq you have there.
    Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the two.

    Still waiting for you to tell us why the military issues M16s and M4s, but not AR15s.
     
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    Still waiting for you to make whatever point you think you have
     
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    The point had on the part of the member TOG 6 is that firearms such as the AR-15 are not, never have been, and never will be, military firearms, weapons of war, or any other hyperbolic and nonsensical term used to suggest they do not belong on the private market.
     
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    You mean the point that you cannot honestly answer my question without negating your argument?

    Yep. Point made, and verified by you every time you avoid said question.

    Here! I'll make it again:
    Why does the military issues M16s and M4s, but not AR15s?
     
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    She knows.
    She won't admit it because she knows to do so negates her inane "weapon of war" argument.
     
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    Dude...if you have a point...no one but you knows what it is.
     
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    WTF? They are identical except for the full auto feature
     
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    I do. And you know it. And you continue to prove it.

    I asked:
    Why does the military issue M16s and M4s, but not AR15s?
    You and I both know you won't respond because you know an honest response will negate your "weapon of war" nonsense.

    Please - continue to prove me correct.
     
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    That being the case...
    Why does the military issue M16s and M4s, but not AR15s?
     
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    None of which changes the fact being raised. The AR-15, and other similar firearms currently sold on the private market are not, never have been, and never will be military firearms, weapons of war, or any other hyperbolic and nonsensical term to suggest they do not belong on the private market.

    It does not matter just how similar the two platforms may appear to yourself, such holds no relevance, as they are simply not interchangeable goods with one another. It is not a matter of comparing apples to oranges in this matter, rather it is a matter of comparing apples to cinder blocks.

    The only position being established by the above argument presented on the part of yourself, is that there is no logical or legitimate reason for fully-automatic firearms to be subject to any greater degree of restriction than semi-automatic firearms. Semi-automatic firearms have been available to the general public for well over a century without significant restrictions, thus making it far too late to suddenly claim they are now too dangerous and in need of new restrictions being implemented.
     

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