Hamas has attacked Israel

How do you manage to get in an attack on Trump in this issue? Like it or not, Trump supporters are more likely to support Israel than the members of the Talibiden

 

yeah that seems to be the Issue that the IDF was caught with its pants down.

 

That sounds ridiculous.

 

If we are talking about being a real conservative and not a Neocon, big government conservative, well I guess there are two of us here on PF. Probably more. But not that many more.

 

maybe he is counting the black death which apparently was spread to Europe by returning crusaders?

 

Well that would boost the numbers.

 

I found this
https://apholt.com/2019/01/30/death-estimates-for-the-crusades/

 

Opinions vary, but I am going to go out on a limb and stay that politicians (Trump) pandering to another country, American supports of this country, and mixing that with religious appeal/pandering are not a good indicator of an American first politician. Maybe Trump can explain why he failed to control the US border before I want to listen to him talk about other people's border issues. RFK Jr. is looking better every day.

 

Trump conveniently forgets that the countries involved with the Abraham Accords were not at war with Israel so the Accords bringing "so much peace" is laughable.

 

Who attacked first?

 

Palestine has been trying to wipe Isreal off the map since they were given land due to attempts to annihilated them.

In that time, they have gotten more guarded, more secure, and more militarily advanced. I would too.

Why should Palestinians through Hammas be able to attack them and somehow any return fire makes Palestine the victim?

 

From what I've been seeing, this act of terror was not only meant to cause damage to Israel, but to also get hostages so Hamas can trade them for their terrorists Israel locked up. I hope to god none of those hostages are Americans because Biden will give them billions. And all this was done using weapons Biden left behind in Afghanistan and funded by the money he gave to Iran. I'm sure it's a proud day for Bidenists.

 

Stalin laughs at such numbers!

 

There are roughly 2 million people in Manhattan and Yonkers. Is there any agriculture or farmland in Manhattan or Yonkers? Nope. So, what do they do to survive? What do they do in such a hopeless situation? By that logic, New York is an open-air prison. On second thought, you're probably right....

 

Given that the entire Palestinian population thinks killing off all Israelis is the solution, it would seem that they bring on their own conflicts. For that matter, they believe in killing all infidels, which includes me and I assume you and yours. The very fact you don't believe in their religion is cause to kill you, even though you don't have anything to do with them. Nice people. Some of the time.

The left always thinks that if people just didn't complain about the violent thugs and trash of the world, everything would be ducky. I find that kind of mind-boggling.

If I lived in such a situation, I'd stop attacking the Israelis. I'd see about improving the conditions for the 35,000 farmers there to improve local production on the 196,000 square kilometers of land suitable for farming. And, I'd be trying to arrange a permanent peace, which would require assurances that the attacks on Israel would end- hard to do, because a lot of those are not military in origin, but from radicals. But that would be my thought as an individual; the Palestinians as a nation have so many radicals they couldn't keep a peace- they would continue the random attacks on Israel that have gone on for decades, and Israel would respond.

Gaza needs a seaport too, but the probability that it would be used to import arms instead of goods and trade is preventing that. That isn't speculation, I think it would be certain. Israel knows it.

Trouble is their hate of Jews goes back long before the creation of the Israeli state coming out of WWII. The Palestinians have made the control over them by Israel necessary because they refused to control themselves. Very difficult for any nation to thrive or even do moderately well in that kind of constant turmoil. I believe Palestine is the instigator, and if they could stop that, relations could improve dramatically.
I believe if Israel backed down, those attacks would only increase.

Historically, the people of Israel have not been unreasonable or terrorists. All the Islamic nations hate Israel, and have attacked or backed attacks on them repeatedly. But the Israelis have learned to be hard and tough, and defend themselves very well. Leave them alone, they leave you alone. Provoke them, and they respond.

 

Black death was not a religious thing, and all in all it killed about as many people as WW2, and it was speed by rats from commercial ships, not the crusaders.

 

New York is one of the largest centers of commerce. New York has survived centuries.

 

Thoughts and prayers from Biden.

 

That aside, Israel needs to review it's Iron Dome system, it was obviously compromised. It may due to a saturation effect, where too many missiles overloaded the tracking software that allowed those to get past the defense system.

 

There is video of the Iron Dome going off and intercepting rockets. Iron Dome has an efficiency rating of about 85%. So, let's say that Hamas fired off 2,500 rockets, that means that 375 of them still got through, which accounts for the damage that you see. If the Iron Dome was offline and all 2,500 had got through, the damage would be much, much more extensive. And the rockets they were firing into Israel are small, very small. I saw one that had hit a sidewalk and buried itself halfway into the sidewalk and hardly did any damage. Maybe a 5 foot blast radius. Maybe.

 

Biden National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan (last week): "The Middle East region is quieter today than it has been in two decades"

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1710747691024879691?


Fmr. Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Joe Biden: “I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,”

 

New York City doesn't have a foreign nation control who and what goes into or out of the city. So, the comparison is worthless.

 

Thanks, I know the radar even for small projectiles can be tracked, we use the ANTPQ series, or at least the Army does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/TPQ-36_Firefinder_radar
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/tpq-53.html

 

In spite of the dubious pretenses of our war in Iraq, some 20 years later, the democratic system we set up survives, and the Iraqi government is no longer our enemy. Perhaps this is what the Israelis ought to do. Wipe out Hamas and all violent resistance. Take full control of Gaza, and then set up a democratically elected government with a new constitution. The new constitution should provide for the freedom of speech, press, and religion, etc. Sign a peace treaty with the new government. Provide security support until a viable new police force can be established. Invite the free world to help with schools, hospitals, infrastructure and necessary operating cash.

We changed the paradigm in Iraq, but it was done by force at first. Perhaps this could become the watershed moment, the turning point, where Israel uses force to eliminate Hamas, but at the same time, imposes a new paradigm on the citizens of Gaza. Maybe … just maybe … this could usher in a new era for Gazans and Israelis.

If you disagree with me, tell me what your alternative is.

 

Israel's occupation is illegal.

Trump conveniently forgets that the countries involved with the Abraham Accords were not at war with Israel so the Accords bringing "so much peace" is laughable.