Hamas supports nation-wide referendum on Zionism.

Perhaps your just not familiar with terms like zionism, sovereign, gross domestic product, foreign aid.

I mean I see youre using them and most like have heard them but you dont seem to grasp them.

Post ur article please.

As sure as there are Islamic Republics there is a Jewish nation.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*) Hamas
Israel shouldnt make deals with terrorist groups like Hamas.I dont see Israel giving up Jerusalem anytime soon.
I just love the anti-Semitic rhetoric on this forum.

 

You accuse of bigotry,but yet support the death of Israel ??

 

Re "Quantrill"

Picture Perfect -

 

You get my whether you like it or NOT
I support the Death of a Racist & Bigoted Ideology
I support the Life of a Renewed & Unsullied Israel


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Where's the anti-Semitism? If you're confusing a criticism of a thoroughly nasty Zionist regime, which happens to be Jewish, with a hatred of Judaism then you need to learn there's a difference.

 

The only hatred of Semites being expressed here, is against Arab Semites on behalf of Israel and Zionism. This must mean that GiveUsLibertyin2012 believes that many Zionists are heavily anti-Semite.

 

Contary to the needs of many Zionist Semite-haters, Israel consists of many identities, including Arab and Jewish.

Sorry, but terribly false claims about me do not justify one's burning need to hate Semites on behalf of Israel and Zionism.

 

Now now Snakey, I have not forgotten your rant on the racist nature of jews based on your experience at the bank that you worked at before you lost your job. To your credit though, most of the time though you pretend that it is zionism that irks you.

 

Link please. Do you really need to attack snakestretcher in a thread where some Zionist are praising their unconditional hatred of Semites? You could oppose the hatred of Semites if its unconditional defense was not required by Israel.

 

Let's see if you're capable of grasping the difference.

NOT the death of the artificial Zionist godless entity called "Israel" but rather the restoration of pre-"Israel" - PALESTINE - a totally secular state where Jews and non-Jews can live as equals - all being equal under truly democratic laws , without fear, without favour , discriminations and the BS abt any group being God's chosen and claiming land rites coz its in accordance with God's promise ..

Go listen to the Jewish settlers , then come talk to me abt bigotry .

It's just a load of crap with a kosher label , right ?

Go listen to the settlers .

Oy-vey .

 

You managed to get at least two things wrong in that post. I didn't work in a bank, and I didn't lose my job.

 

'godless'? How is it a 'godless' people are always able to defeat the numerically superior Arabs in that area, who have Allah as their god?

How about the restoration of Israel as she was before the Babyonians and Assyrians? With the Temple being rebuilt in Jerusalem?

Quantrill

 

Mr R , there are many terms I'm NOT familiar with, and many I wouldnt claim to be an expert on, but I do know a little abt ZION-ISM , from having read translation of the Austro-Hungarian, writer , fellow countryman of Hitler, THeo. Herzl's - " DER JUDENSTAAT" , I've never read Mein Kampf , + once tried to read Das Kapital - soon gave up but years later got tyhe gist from its summaries. After, a few years working/travelling - meeting , discussions with various people , including, my fellow Brits , who said they were Jewish - some pro + some anti-Israel, I came to the conclusion that Zion-ism , like other "isms" i.e. Nazi-ism. Commun-sm - all sounds fine - IN THEORY - but pretty awful in practice.

Re - the question of Herzl's " DER JUDENSTAAT'S sovereignity

I repeat : "Israel is NOT a sovereign state! It's a bogus, client, state of the US. It CANNOT possibly survive even for a single extra summer if MASSIVE AND DIRECT US aid were withdrawn from it! What kind of "sovereignty" is that?

That said, I don't advocate the destruction of the present state - nor do I believe, despite the rhetoric of some, that ANYONE wants the physical destruction of Israel. But I do believe there are MANY around the world, and I confess to being one of them, who would like to see the dismantlement of a Zionist-dominated Israel - in the same way that Nazi-dominated Germany and Apartheid-dominated South Africa were dismantled. I think that is a goal that MUST be achieved! Also for the sake of Israelis themselves - as well as the region at large!
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Jews are not a nation. Are grasshoppers are birds. ?

Re the - wandering who ? its long , I'll post it later.


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Yes, queertroll its totally godless. Belief whatever crap you choose to, but there's no evidence whatsoever that God got down from His throne and played any part in any wars. But if you belief everything you've read in the bible , then there's not much more I can say. Your god must then also be responsible for causing the Holocaust , wot ? the eartchquakes, all disasters which cause so much human sufferings - worldwide Hey ?

Meanwhile , How about " restoring" Texas to Mexico , or " restoring" all the tribal lands to Native Americans ?

 

Lets see, no U.S. in 48. Just Israel eating the Arabs alive? How about 56? How about 67.? How about 73?

In 73 the diplomatic power of the U.S. was needed because of the constant support of the Soviet Union for the Arabs against Israel.

In fact, its always seems to be that the world has to rush in to call off Israel once she has her enemy on the run. Until then no one is to be seen.

Israel is a nation and will always be a nation and exist in that land.

Quantrill

 

If Israel is 'godless' how did a godless people defeat a numerically superior army of Arabs of whom Allah is their god? Allah must not be real. Or maybe he just wanted to tell the Arabs to leave Israel alone.

Restoration of lands? Cost of war hun. They are there if you can take em.

Quantrill

 

Queertroll, here's my considered reply :.

fart:--





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& its that same ole tiresome fundy fanatic Screed –

“My God’s bigger than your god”

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Yah that CheapSkate Allah just isn't able to come across
with the $GaZillions of Dollar$ worth of USA
TaxPayer supplied Baby Killing Machines, is he ?-

Yeah Yeah Yahweh ! - Poo Poo on Allah



What is known as Zionist Ideology today is indeed Godless
http://www.unionoffaiths.com/article_y14.html

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The "constant support of the Soviets" is another myth. The Arabs as a whole HATE communism.. The only small window to Communism in the Middle East was opened by the formation of the Jewish state and their treatment of the Palestinians.. and ONLY in Egypt AFTER the Lavon Affair. That came closest to driving Egypt into the arms of the Soviets.

Israel itself had 3 or 4 different socialist parties.. with varying degrees of Communism.

Your knowledge of history is sketchy at best.

But, there are MANY Jewish sources that discuss and bewail the influence of Communism and Socialism on the New Jewish State.

 

They didnt thats how.

Israel has fielded superior numbers and/ or weapons in every conflict.

Anyway neither God nor Allah are real as far as anyone reasonble can tell. You know that.

By the way, did this God you tell us of support the Chinese invasion of tibet or the extermination of 6 million jews? After all, these things have happended and God hasnt done a thing about it. Isnt that curious to you?

Maybe he in fact supported these events - what do you think Quanty?

 

During 67 war, on May 26: "...Nasser was raising the temperature of the crisis. 'The battle will be a general one,...and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel....Today I say such things because I am confident.' In the Security Council the Soviet Union made it clear that it would vetoe any proposal that might not be in accord with the wishes of Egypt, or Syria. Flying from Moscow to Cairo, the newly appointed Soviet Minister of Defence, Marshal Grechko, brought Nasser a personal message of encouragement from the Soviet Head of State, Alexei Kosygin." ( p.373)

About Oct, 10,67: "As Soviet supplies continued to fly into Damascus-as if it were Stalingrad and not Damascus, commented Yigael Yadin - the Israeli government decided that it would be too great a risk of war with Russia if it were to shoot down these planes in the air." (p.444)

Quotes from " Israel " by Martin Gilbert.

Quantrill

 

In your dreams. The Arab nations outnumber Israel considerably. It just makes you feel a little better if you think the Arabs lost because they were outnumbered. Its your pipe dream.

Well, Allah certainly didn't show up, did he?

No, not curious at all.

Quantrill

 

MARGOT :


ITS Another of queertroll's dubious/questionable/unreliable sources

Martin Gilbert is well educated Bull shiner - a notorious Zionist .Gilbert describes himself as a proud practising Jew and a Zionist.
Gilbert's portrayal of Churchill's supportive attitudes to Jews (in his book Churchill and the Jews) has been criticised, for example by Piers Brendon. Also, Tom Segev writes that although Gilbert's coffee-table book The Story of Israel is written with "encyclopedic clarity," Segev is critical of the absence of figures from Arab sources. In Israel's Border Wars, historian Benny Morris disputed that Gilbert's accounting of Israeli casualties from Fedayeen attacks in the 1950s was inflated.

 

Israel however is a nation with a Jewish identity-much like Iran is an Islamic republic. Not everyone in Iran is Muslim just the vast majority of them are.The basic laws of Israel are dictated by religious ideology (like many,many others..incl Iran) for the most part and they are an independent,internationally recognized democracy.

The issue you have with your silly So African analogy is that Arabs in Israel have much better than in most other Arab countries. The insane claims of genocide and apartheid are dismantled by the facts.

What Israel cannot afford to lose is international support for their struggles-monetary aid is not an issue. 3 billion dollars is not going to sink the country...sorry. Until a time when the "Palestinians" can manage to shine a more a favorable light on themselves-they will always be the bad guys as far public opinion is concerned-especially with terrorists both factions of their govt.