Hard facts that there is no way around

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  1. genericBob

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    The above is quoted from #24 of these points and I notice that some of these points are mixed and not focused, taking the fact that the airliner pilots never set the "we B hijacked" code on the transponder, is a point in and of itself and additionally, the point about the hijackers never appearing on the airport video cams that must have been present at the departure point airports is yet another independent point.

    However with that said, I think its a very good idea to question everything.
     
  2. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You assume this would be a normal hijacking where the hijackers demand the pilots to fly them somewhere instead of killing the pilots to fly the plane themselves.

    BTW, they captured Flt77 hijackers on video at the airport.
     
  3. genericBob

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    even if this were a "normal" hijacking where the radicals
    insisted on being taken to central America or? why wouldn't the pilots set the unique code on the transponder to indicate they had been hijacked?

    Reference to pix please.....
     
  4. Hannibal

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    The pilots were dead. Hard to set transponders when dead.
     
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    Because the hijackers killed the pilots and turned off the transponders.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if these were really "hard facts", most people would accept them as such.
     
  7. genericBob

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    Most people still think that their Congresscritters
    actually work for the rank&file Voters/taxpayers.
    ya, right..........
     
  8. Hannibal

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    Off topic. DO try and not get off on tangents, please.
     
  9. genericBob

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    My remark was in response to
    and its totally logical ..... absolutely logical Jim .....
     
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    Your logic is flawed,you are in error.
     
  11. Hannibal

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    Bad analogy so you don't have to answer uncomfortable questions.
     
  12. genericBob

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    This makes the assumption that the hijackers gained entry
    into the cockpit at the very first second of the operation and
    killed the pilot & co-pilot without having any time even for them
    to say anything over the radio. If the pilot&co-pilot were aware
    at all in any of the 4 flights, why wasn't the HIJACKED code
    set on the transponder, at the very instant that the event was
    known about.
     
  13. Hannibal

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    Have you read the transcripts of what the pilots communicated?
     
  14. genericBob

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    tangent #99
    If the Pilots had communicated with AirTrafficControl
    the fact that they were being attacked, this would have
    set off alarms big time, what was said? do YOU have
    the magical INFORMATION? what is there?

    The fact is that there were no hijackings!
    The perpetrators have been very careful to destroy evidence.
    and make very sure that nothing remains that could demonstrate conclusively that 9/11 was an inside job.
    The gaping holes in the whole story shows conclusively that
    there has been evidence tampering and total fraud going on here.
    Things like who said what and when, can be faked very easily
    however things that are more hard evidence like the presents
    or absents of transponder signals being orders of magnitude
    more reliable as evidence. My question remains, where is the
    hard evidence that ties the whole thing together?
    what? destroyed by the perpetrators?
     
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    Except for the hijackings that happened with ATC proof.
     
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    Please add detail, I'm not sure what you mean by "ATC proof"?
     
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    The Destruction of the World Trade Center:
    Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
    David Ray Griffin


    Jones, Steven E., 2006. "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" In Griffin and Scott, eds., 2006.

    Heller, David, 2005. "Taking a Closer Look: Hard Science and the Collapse of the World Trade Center," Garlic and Grass, Issue 6, November 24 (http://www.garlicandgrass.org/issue6/Dave_Heller.cfm).

    Hoffman, Jim, 2003. “The North Tower's Dust Cloud: Analysis of Energy Requirements for the Expansion of the Dust Cloud Following the Collapse of 1 World Trade Center,” Version 3, 9-11 Research.wtc7.net, October 16 (http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/volume.html).

    _____, 2004. “Your Eyes Don’t Lie: Common Sense, Physics, and the World Trade Center Collapses,” 9-11 Research.wtc7.net (http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/radio/youreyesdontlie/index.html).

    _____, 2005. “Building a Better Mirage: NIST's 3-Year $20,000,000 Cover-Up of the Crime of the Century,” 911 Research, August 21 (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html).

    Hufschmid, Eric, 2002. Painful Questions: An Analysis of the September 11thAttack. Goleta, CA: Endpoint Software.

    Killough-Miller, Joan, 2002. “The ‘Deep Mystery’ of Melted Steel,” WPI Transformations, Spring (http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2002Spring/steel.html).
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    Lavello, Randy, n.d. “Bombs in the Building,” Prison Planet.com (http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lavello_050503_bombs.html).

    Meyer, Peter, n.d. “Did the Twin Towers Collapse on Demand?”, Section 3 of “The World Trade Center Demolition and the so-Called War on Terrorism,” Serendipity (www.serendipity.li/wtc.html).
    _____, 2005b. “WTC Basement Blast and Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High,” Arctic Beacon, June 24 (http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/28031.htm).
    Griffin, David Ray, 2004. The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about 9/11 and the Bush Administration. Northampton, MA: Olive Branch (Interlink).
    Glanz, James. 2001. “Engineers Are Baffled over the Collapse of 7 WTC; Steel Members Have Been Partly Evaporated,” New York Times, November 29.
    Bollyn, Christopher, 2001. “Some Survivors Say ‘Bombs Exploded Inside WTC,’” American Free Press, October 22 (http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_22_01/ Some_Survivors_Say__Bombs_Expl/some_survivors_say__bombs_expl.html).

    Baker, Jeremy, n.d. “PBS Documentary: Silverstein, FDNY Razed WTC 7,” Infowars.com (http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/FDNY.htm).
     
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    Christopher Bolyn, Eric Hufschmid, and Jim Hoffman?????



    lol!!!! The Truther Nazis are resurrected.
     
  19. Hannibal

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    Desperation.

    Please report the mindless spam.
     
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    When all else fails, shoot the messenger!
     
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    You agree with Hufschmid and his stated agenda?
     
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    Who among the "debunkers"
    totally agrees with Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, The entire Bush Crime Family, & for that matter Clinton (etc... ) included, for this is NOT a strictly Republican or Democrat issue, its about criminals willing to do ANYTHING to promote their agenda.
     
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    13) Towers were built to withstand a Boeing jet(s). “I designed it for a 707 to hit it”, Leslie Robertson, WTC structural engineer. “Could probably sustain multiple impacts of jetliners”, “like a pencil puncturing screen netting” Frank De Martini, deceased Manager of WTC Construction & Project Management. “As far as a plane knocking a building over, that would not happen.” Charlie Thornton, Structural Engineer.

    The Towers were built to withstand a Boeing low on fuel making a landing and a slower speed, not full of fuel and top speed and that was theoretical, not a proven tested fact and the fire containment was never designed to contain fire on so many floors with damaged fire systems so that is an apples to oranges comparison that has nothing to do with the actual events plus the buildings were not 'knocked over'. This is how the conspiracy theorists package their conspiracy by leaving out critical data that is relevant. The results of real life experience certainly falsified the engineering theory.
     
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    So if WTC1, 2 were destroyed by aircraft impacts, what is responsible for the destruction of WTC7? also WHY is it that the towers "collapsed" as they did? in order for the observed result to have happened, every weld, bolt ( etc .... ) in each tower would have to fail exactly on time, not too soon & not to late to create the observed result. How was that done?
     
  25. Hannibal

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    They weren't.

    Check your facts.
     

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