Healthy kids don't need vaccine.

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  1. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://news.yahoo.com/healthy-kids-no-longer-covid-145552431.html
    WTF!

    This information was available long before the W.H.O. came out with new guidelines. That previous information was suppressed by people like the doctor of death - Faucet. When will people wake up to how the democrats care more about control, than science?
     
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    The smart people always knew this.

    Of course, what was known was suppressed by Dr. Fraudster Fauci. This should tell everyone that the CDC was weaponized by partisan leftist Fauci, who felt his party keeping power was more important than the information benefiting the lives of children. And now the W.H.O. comes out and pretends this is something new. :disbelief:
     
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    Oh, c'mon--parents have been advised not to vaccinate healthy children against covid for some time. The WHO don't make policy here.
     
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    You left out a word. ". . . man!"

    When asked about it Faucet hemmed and huh about it.

    https://health.wusf.usf.edu/npr-hea...uestions-about-children-and-covid-19-vaccines
     
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    I've heard that Faucet is so afraid of being indicted that he somehow is staying on the government dole in order for it to protect him.

    The hyperventilating of the left is starting to show to be just a lot of hot air. The data of how detrimental the measures they implemented, under the guise of protecting our children, only shows this has always been about control, not science.
     
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    I don't think for one minute that today's Democratic Party cares much about the lives of children. As you aptly stated, it's about them dominating the narrative for political gain.
     
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    Nope, was never about control. Kids were always a lower risk group. And while I saw the benefits outweighed the risks for delta and earlier, I am not too surprised if it's no longer needed now that lower risk and more transmissible forms of omicron are basically around indefinitely. Even in that situation, I doubt the vaccine does more harm than good, but the harms and benefits are both so small it may not make sense to bother with it for kids without pre-existing conditions like asthma.
     
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    What exactly were the benefits, if there was very little risks?
     
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    Reduced but not eliminated transmission, hospitalization, and mortality. IIRC covid killed like 1 in 20,000 kids infected, but that may have included those with asthma grouped together with "fully healthy" and the vaccine's mortality was something like 1 in a million, but that was using J+J, the one with more complications. Suffice it to say, small numbers of deaths on both sides of the equation, but far less likely to die from vaccine than covid.
     
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    Those benefits were inherit in the fact that they were children. The covid vaccines didn't increase them. The flu is probably more dangerous than covid to children.

    https://www.statesman.com/story/new...s-flu-harder-on-kids-than-covid-19/113718780/
    I'm not seeing the increased benefits from a covid vaccine for children. As been pointed out, for those already dealing with poor health, yea, sure. But in healthy children why take the risk of a vaccine, that was fast tracked, without the benefit of enough studies regarding children?
     
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    Not increased for children, only that benefits outweigh risks even for children, at least for earlier strains of covid and for children in aggregate. Of course anti-vaccine people who assume there is some hidden, future or concealed complication will assume a greater risk than I would. But many children have received the vaccine, it's not really experimental anymore. If we separate out children who literally have no health conditions - in particular no asthma but also more rare diseases like CF, I can imagine how now with an even lower risk but more transmissible strain, it's no longer worth it for healthy kids. Not because of danger, but because of minimal benefit.

    It is recommended that kids do get the flu shot annually, though.
     
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    More questions have been rising about the harm of the vaccines. We were mass guinea pigs for the pharmaceutical companies.

    Another thought to consider. What ever happened to the fear of mutations being deadlier? Have we reached the point that that is no longer an issue?
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean. You mean more deadly forms of covid after mutation, or something else?
     
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    The fear mongering used to get people vaccinated was based on mutations.
     
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    Oh yeah I remember that now. It was a legit concern, but not how it turned out. We did get a more deadly strain, delta, but vaccination didn't come soon enough to prevent that. Viruses will spread based upon which is more effective at getting to lots of people. Extreme viral overload is one strategy that delta used, but subsequent strains used a different strategy - omicron was even more infectious but less dangerous. I think omicron style is here to stay. There's been so many people vaccinated and naturally exposed by now, that the ability for a new mutant to carve out that kind of niche has kind of passed.
     
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    You seem to be pointing towards natural immunity kicking in eliminating the fears we once were told wasn't enough. Flu strains still mutate, with some strains proving to be more deadly. Covid is a virus, which can still mutate, but natural immunity will protect most making vaccines unnecessary. I got fully vaccinated at the time they first came out (no booster) and I don't plan on another dose until more is known. But the scientific community is saying healthy children don't need it. That was being said long before WHO confirmed it.
     
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    It's probably good that WHO is more cautious in making statements until they are sure what the current evidence says. More vaccination would have saved more lives, but we are at a point where the crisis is over and the virus is a known enemy by our bodies whether by vaccination or infection or both. Influenza is kind of special because of its segmented genome, which allows it to massively shift genetically especially by borrowing parts from flu viruses that infect other animals. I don't think covid can pull off a deadly resurgence like what influenza did in, e.g. 1918 Spanish flu because it does not have a genome like that. Or at least a lot less likely.
     
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    There's very little that he has been saying (at least none that I can find). Seeing that he's retired it's convenient, but he still can be interviewed and asked the question. I think you'd only see more vagueness, coming out of his lying mouth.
     
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    Fauci is a weather vane for government views on critical matters. He started with we don't need a face covering of any kind, then on to we can get covid through the air and you should wear as cloth or surgical mask, and finally settling on N95 masks. He never said the obvious that only high-quality PPE is personally protective and only if worn properly.

    I figure if you know something I don't, realize the information is something I would like to know and you avoid telling me or leave me to believe something is true when it's not, you cease to be a trusted source. That's Fauci.
     
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    The government response to covid was all about control and politics. Science had nothing to do with it. Government does control and politics. It doesn't do science. Healthy kids never needed the vaccine. I don't think sick kids did either. We knew that from private sector doctors early in 2020.
     
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    That's a great analogy for Dr. Fauci, a weather-vane. His "scientific" opinions changed like the wind. I remember when he told us if you get vaccinated, "you're safe". How did that work out for people like me who were poked 3-4 times and became sick as a dog from Covid? He really should think of changing his name to Dr. Fake.
     
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    The vaccine may have saved you from an even more serious covid infection. Still, he should have been a reliable source of information.
     

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