Here's The Painful Truth About What It Means To Be 'Working Poor' In America

Working in a coal mine going down down
Working in a coal mine WOO nobody slips down..

 

The truth never changes.

Fine, A bill of rights.

 

How come it's not called a bill of lefts?

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War is not about who's left, it's about who's right.

 

Your welcome. Yep, sorry, my bad, I guess I should have known better than to give one who doesn't know the difference between a compact, a contract and a constitution credit to know that I was addressing one simple difference.

Nope. May I suggest that you start a thread if you want to discuss this off topic, topic in greater detail-- after all, you seem to lack understanding of such detail and its nuances, maybe some one might care enough to help you out-- I don't have the time or interest.

 

Maybe because a bill is never payed by the left?

And hopefully, those who are right have more people left!

 

yeah if only Americans would take jobs for third world wages... corps would hire them here... is that why the right wants to do away with the min wage?


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Since NAFTA we have accelerated to 3 world country poverty in major cities all through out the United States.

 

Ill take that as a yes, you do stand to benefit from the positions you advocate in favor of, social programming in the name of welfare... the general type.

Thanks for being honest.

Let me see if I can make this clear. I dont owe you (*)(*)(*)(*). Neither does anybody else in this society. Clear enough?

 

wow.

So building a park I can enjoy with my kids is no different than giving somebody food stamps?

Keep going with your ridiculous arguments, we don't have to say much to validate our points.

 

true, remember what the greedy corps said though

http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=531

"NAFTA promoters - including many of the world's largest corporations - promised it would create hundreds of thousands of new high-wage U.S. jobs, raise living standards in the U.S., Mexico and Canada, improve environmental conditions and transform Mexico from a poor developing country into a booming new market for U.S. exports."

 

THE BATTLE FOR YOUR MIND
by Dick Sutphen
Persuasion & Brainwashing Techniques Being Used On The Public Today


This is a very informative reading.

 

Awe...what a compassionate and utopian thinker with no understanding of basic economics you are! Raise minimum wage to $20 an hour...it will bring everything Into balance. It won't affect inflation, the value of our currency, and prices will remain the same. How ideological. How humanitarian. What profound thinking you have to improve poverty. Let's test it

 

Taft-Hartley commenced a new phase of the class war of capital against labor, which was interrupted briefly in the 1960s, but was ramped up again with the economic slowdown of the 1970s. A full-scale, organized class war against the U.S. working class and against all progressive government policies was unleashed beginning on August 23, 1971, with corporate lawyer Lewis Powell’s confidential memorandum to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (only two months before he was nominated by President Nixon to the U.S. Supreme Court) calling on corporations and their CEOs to organize a concerted attack on labor, the left academy, and the liberal media—and to use their financial leverage to dominate government. The memo, which came to light only after Powell’s Supreme Court appointment, galvanized business and the wealthy, leading to what Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson in Winner-Take-All Politics described as a “domestic version of Shock and Awe.” As Bill Moyers has written, “we look back on it now as a call to arms for class war waged from the top down.” It inspired the establishment of the powerful Business Roundtable (which has only CEOs as members), the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, and Citizens for a Sound Economy (the forerunner of Americans for Prosperity). Within a decade the number of firms with lobbyists expanded by almost fifteen-fold. Corporate PACs quadrupled in number between 1976 and the mid–1980s

 

The various bilateral and multilateral trade agreements that are now in effect—such as NAFTA, CAFTA, and the WTO—did not spring up out of thin air in response to a new ruling-class ideology. Rather they are the result of a continuing process in which imperial capital has created a post-Second World War, post-colonial economic structure favorable to its interests. Designed to give maximum flexibility to capital, it has ensured a more docile workforce, rightfully afraid that jobs could be “offshored” to countries with lower wages and other costs of production. An earlier trend that happened within the United States, in which factories from the Northeast (textiles) and Midwest (automobiles) moved to the South, now occurs on an international scale.
What is referred to in financial circles as “the global labor arbitrage,” or the increasing shift of multinational-corporate production to the global South in order to exploit workers with the lowest worldwide unit labor costs, was made possible through an international political process, spurred by U.S. imperialism, that opened up the periphery of the world system to unrestricted flows of global capital.15 This meant a two-pronged attack on labor and its political power in both the global Smith and in the global North—of which the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was to emerge as emblematic.

Full story found here
http://monthlyreview.org/2014/01/01/the-plight-of-the-u-s-working-class

 

It's this kind of attitude the will flare up the class war, I like it personally. I invite it, can't wait for it. When the poor are tired of being stepped on I would hide, maybe take that trip to England you've been wanting to take.

 

All poor and near poor need to do this. Stop buying new, buy used from garage sales, shop at your farmers markets, stop giving these filthy rich your money they don't deserve it. Obviously we still need to buy new things. My answer is find the small business owners and give them the business, the cost is more but it will all even out with the money you saved from buying used. For those that use food stamps go ahead shop away at those places. Take them to the grocery stores in wealthy neighborhoods to redeem them.

 

That's kind of adorably sweet and funny. You posting from your phone or computer with electricity and ability to type and write.... Blindly unaware that you are the rich. The fortunate. That you could sell your technology and turn off the electricity so someone else could drink clean water. Or eat. All the while feeling like a champion for the downtrodden and blissfully ignorant of your hypocrisy. Read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. Or put YOUR money where your mouth is and make some sacrifices to your luxury items to give someone else the basic necessitates to live.

 

Under this administration, Americans can't find a job that even pays third world wages.

Unions wouldn't let corps hire them here..

The right wants to do away with the minimum wage?

The right wants to do away with the minimum wage as much as the left wants to reward the 1% for their success!

 

Honestly, I don't have enough interest to feel one way or the other. You made a point of it, so I addressed it. At least you got the information. My point is, I know the differences and I have no desire to discuss these basics because either you get the nuances or you don't.... and apparently you don't.

Let's be clear, are you saying there isn't any distinguishable differences?

Fine, so your happy with your understanding. I believe you lack the nuances to have all the understanding.

Danny's circular arguments are suppose to do just that. That is why I asked that he establish a separate thread instead of hijacking this one..

Then quit asking me to reply to you and/or get danny to stay on topic... good luck with that.

Tell it to Danny, the broken record.... I've already made that suggestion and its clear that there is no chance of a resolution, so do what you've got to do...

 

Are the poor better off today than they were six years ago?

 

I already give money (debt notes) to charity. Should I give more to please you? I don't think so. I love the belittling comments. It just shows you were offended (mission complete)

 

The problem with this 'pick yourself up by the bootstraps' Horatio Alger mentality to this problem, is that there are just too few Horatio Alger stories to inspire people anymore and it takes a hell of a lot of inspiration to keep someone's hope going for the years it takes to save enough to enter a school or get out of debt. Upward mobility from working poor to middle or upper middle class is so infrequent that in many areas, folks literally never personally see the success stories in their neighborhoods or in their families. You can lose the savings of a year or two towards that long term educational goal or that down payment on a home, with a bad transmission, and some urgent care bills or a brief hospital stay. With no one around you, who actually succeeded in getting out of poverty, hopelessness sets in and instead of starting to save for the fourth time, you give up and just assume life will always drag you and everyone around you, down.

it's too hard, its too rare, and you have to have a lot of luck on your side.