Hitchens' Death Will be Closely Watched

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I looked at multiple sources on the death of Voltaire and got conflicting sources. According to one Christian website, Voltaire was tormented on his death bed, and his atheist friends kept a close watch on him to keep the world from learning about it.

http://www.pawcreek.org/salty-saints/the-tragic-death-of-voltaire-the-atheist

According to another source, Voltaire, when asked to renounce Satan immediately before his death, wisecracked that he didn't want to make another enemy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire

I must assume that there is a combination of lies and truth told about Voltaire's death because both sides are very motivated to lie.

But Hitchen's death will be another historical opportunity, the chance to see whether a famous atheist, who spent an entire lifetime as an enemy of God, will "jump ship" at the last minute and renounce his atheism.

I expect that the atheists have already planned for this, and will take turns watching him on his deathbed to keep the news from reaching the world if Hitchens attempts to make a last minute conversion. So, even if it happens, we will not learn of it.

But I challenge the atheists of the world to this: allow Christian observers to watch Hitchens die. Let's not let the death of Hitchens be another unsolved mystery like Voltaire's death. You owe it to history.

 

Just when one thinks it isn't possible you hit a new low, Blackrook.

 

I sort of thought that once he did finally reach the end of his rope, he might be a bit more circumspect, a bit less abrasive. He's a sad man. I find anyone sad who feels the need to spit at religion, but especially when their dying breath is vile.

Hitchens is(soon to be 'was') a man of advanced intellect and retarded curiosity. I wonder if his hostility did not accelerate his demise.

 

How do you say it's a new low?

Since you are an atheist, death has no meaning to you. It is merely a cessation of bodily functions. There is no spiritual component that requires respect or reverence. That is why atheists are so casual about such things as funerals and disposal of their remains. They simply don't consider these issues of any importance.

But Hitchens led a public life and therefore should have a public death. He has spent a lifetime in opposition to God and all religion and he should prove he really believes what he says by allowing religious witnesses to watch him die. They don't all need to be in the room with him, they could watch from another room and observe through a camera.

I suspect that atheists have already planned a secret death for Hitchens that will avoid the possibility that the world will learn what really happens as he dies. Voltaire's friends conspired to make his death secret, but despite this, rumors got out that he was in spiritual torment. Now, the truth will never be known for sure, because both sides accuse the other of lying.

Atheists, if they want to convince us that they really mean what they say, have to prove it. We have countless thousands of Christian saints and martyrs who publicly went to their death believing in the Christian faith and proclaiming it. All I'm saying, is atheism needs to provide one counter-example.

That's not too much to ask, is it?

You can't prove God doesn't exist, but you can prove you really believe he doesn't exist by going to your death denouncing him even to the last breath. You owe us that, really, after all your talk of the "flying spaghetti monster."

 

lol

I enjoy the conspiracy theories that right wingers sport on a regular basis.

I would wager money that Hitchens will not embrace Thor in his final hours.

 

Your avatar is a disrespectful portrait of Christ sporting a pair of glasses, not Thor sporting a pair of glasses.

You, Hitchens, Dawkins, and all other atheists of modern Western society oppose Christianity, not the Nordic religion.

Please use a more convincing argument next time, because you're slipping.

 

Oh no. I am VERY anti-Thor. And Odin!??!?!? really, really, really dislike that guy!!!!

 

Death has great meaning to me. Primarily it means that life can continue.

The only one who cares what you're convinced of is yourself. I couldn't care less. The only "wish" I have ever fostered regarding religious conviction is that it exerts as little damage as possible.

 

Its not Jesus Christ in my avatar, I suggest you educate yourself and perhaps refrain from being so easily offended from a collection of pixels? Even if it were Jesus, is there something evil about glasses?

Your issue with my avatar is laughable.

Of course who do not actively oppose Thor, no one really believes in Thor anymore and no one is using Thor as an excuse to introduce mythology into our class rooms or using preachers to dictate who can and cannot enjoy the legal benefits of marriage. Or in the Muslim sense, using a book to justify killing children with bombs.

The reasons for opposition of religion are always clearly stated and easy to understand, no reason to invoke vast conspiracies to make your argument.

 

OK, well I'm sensing by their reaction that atheists are reluctant to put this to the test.

Which makes sense. What would they do if Hitchens "jumped ship" at the last minute and became a Christian? It would be a devasting blow to the atheist movement.

So I expect atheists will keep a close eye on Hitchens while he dies and not let any priests or pastors within a mile of him. Dawkins is probably already drawing up a list of volunteers for this death bed watch. He has a lot of money invested in atheism and has to make sure his investments don't sour.

It's too bad for Hitchens though, because if he does want to convert to Christianity, that opportunity will be stolen from him.

 

it would be like me laughing because your mother died and god didnt save her.

death is no different than sleeping; the consciousness is out but the life still lives

the problem with you, is you have no idea what life is.

more like the consciousness is not aware of itself (like sleep).....

the body is just a median

kind of like the ocean is just what the wave is riding upon

the life is the spirit. Kind of like the flame of the fire. The reactions of the flame are the life.

No flame, no life.

No awake, no consciousness.

But like the flame, the heat is still there, the waves we cause are still in motion. For example; darwin WON!

name one that you have EVER witnessed, that died and cared about what happened afterwards.

name just ONE

so from the pope to obama and the queen of england herself; we all should see them die as a public right and see whether ANY god saves them.

anyone can beg

you beg and nothing saves you from lying and misleading

the opposition is to idiots that rant up the crap you are posting.

If he is returning to the earth (dying) he is succumbing to nature (god), whether you realize, comprehend or believe it or not.

That's the problem with the BS'ers of beliefs, they dont realize the garden still owns you.............. and you will eat its fruits (his body) every day.

what a puke comment.


I proved how 'god' exists and you dont like it.

God is the garden itself and mankind created the crap you believe!

 

lol

I know, it is a vast left wing conspiracy to destroy your way of life and apple pie.

 

OK, well I note that you want to keep this secret so what am I supposed to believe?

I put you all on notice that if Hitchens' dies in the presence of atheists only then any stories about his death will be disbelieved by the world.

If the atheist movement wants to maintain any credibility, it must allow witnesses of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and all the other major world's faiths so that there is no doubt that Hitchens did not have a last minute conversion to any of these religions.

 

Your lack of literacy in the English language makes it impossible for me to decipher your meaning. I understand you are disagreeing with something I said, but that's about all I was able to grasp.

 

Why would I- an atheist care? I am not influenced by Hitchens one way or another. I find him rather abrasive.

I imagine Hitchens death will be observed by the same people who observe most deaths- close family, maybe friends, medical personal. And since his brother is openly Christian, it seems rather premature- except to the conspiracy minded- to proclaim that no one will be there to observe if Hitchens finds God at the last minute.

Of course....we will never know whether it was a true conversion or the effects of pain medication will we?

Seriously though....who cares?

I neither care whether Hitchens continues to disbelieve God or changes his mind- anymore than I care whether you believe in God or change your mind.

 

LMAO, you seriously want to pack a room with major representatives of every major religion on the planet to pack around and listen to the dying whispers of cancer ridden atheist?

That has to the be the funniest (*)(*)(*)(*) I've ever read. There's a joke in there somewhere.

Just let the dude die and go to hell. He won't convert.

 

being in a room with a bunch of religious wingnuts is practically hell.

Why do you think i come into this section?

To see what it is like on the dark side of the moon

 

Your claim that it doesn't matter if Hitchens converts is totally unconvicing. Hitchens, along with Dawkins, is the face of aggressive, in-your-face atheism. His refusal to convert on his deathbed would be a major victory to the atheist movement, a blow against the widely believed saying that "there are no atheists in foxholes."

However, if there is any secrecy in Hitchen's death, I will not believe any tales told about his death, and most other Christians will also disbelieve. This is not conspiracy theory. It's common sense. We are not going to take it on faith what we are told by atheists who are highly motivated to lie.

 

It doesn't matter. Christians will claim he converted whether it is true or not. The list of previous fake deathbed conversions can fill at least one hand.

Charles Darwin
Antony Flew
Jean-Paul Sartre
Voltaire
Antonio Gramsci

 

So atheists should want the record to be clear then, shouldn't they?

We don't have to pack the room with people. Just set up a camera to watch Hitchen's every move and a high sensitivity microphone so even his whispers can be heard.

Hitchens is a public man and he owes his atheist public a public death to prove he meant everything he said, and they should follow his example.

I know this won't happen, though. A veil of secrecy will cover Hitchen's death so we will never know the truth. The spokesmen for the family will announce he never had a deathbed conversion, and expect us to believe it. I won't.

 

Atheists really don't care very much.

This seems to entirely a Christian obsession.

 

I don't want Hitchens to go to hell. I want him to convert and go to heaven. And I want proof he did.

 

You left out the pony.

 

Wrong! You care or you would not be responding to this thread!

Hitchens' death will be the most important death in the decade, perhaps the century.

Whatever happens will go down into the history books as proof for or against atheism.

I don't want the truth to be obscured by rumors and legends, as has happened with the death of Voltaire. Hitchens owes the public a clear record. He needs to prove that he will put it ALL on the line for atheism, even his eternal soul.

 

I will write Hitchens a letter and demand he make his death public, and if he refuses this demand I will take as evidence that he has secret plans to convert to Christianity on his deathbed.