Hobby Lobby decision from SCOTUS, Hobby Lobby Wins

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  1. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    I haven't yet heard one statement from the left which makes any sense at all in condemning this decision. They just go on and on with nonsensical off topic rants.
     
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    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    Every time I log on here I read a comment from some left winger and I think, " you must be joking"? This is one of those times. For a couple of reasons.
     
  3. Recovering Conservative

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    Thank you very much! I'm not that into the Supreme Court; I wouldn't read each and every PDF document as a matter of course myself. (I also buy hundred dollar text books and only read what I need at the time.) What I did find in the PDF version was a lot of references to a 1993 law (RIFA) but not a mention of the first Amendment restrictions on the government. Presumably that would include the supreme Court.

    The Britons who came to America came to escape tyranny expressed in the form of organized religion. For them it was mostly the Church of England, but for those before them (and since) it has been the Catholic Church that has been the agent of political activism. This is an issue with its origin in the Catholic Church.

    When we consider that the Supreme Court has essentially rubber-stamped a rule of the Holy See, which is a foreign nation to the US, I can't help but wonder why the court failed to ask "are we empowered to comment on this?" The Constitution says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". If this 1993 law is in fact being used to justify the establishment of what the Vatican wants, I'd say that the Constitution prohibits that.

    The Constitution also goes on to speak of "prohibiting the free exercise thereof", which raises another question. What about the rights of those who don't worship a religion that declares zygotes to be "babies" and which calls birth control "abortion" in a very arbitrary manner? Does the state have the privilege to practice medicine? This is, after all a health care matter. I'm concerned that this might not be a matter for US courts to decide.

    Speaking of "personhood", the Hobby Lobby corporation may or may not be a "person", may or may not be free to worship as it pleases, but by what authority does it have the privilege to force others to obey its dogma? That is a mighty slender thread there! Vanishingly so if it's extended to the whole of the United States and its people!

    If the Supreme Court just gave Hobby Lobby permission to rule the whole US of A through decree, I say that they don't have the authority to do that. The owners of Hobby Lobby have every right to earn a living, even get rich. Even more, they enjoy the privilege of incorporating, and all of the benefits and responsibilities that it brings. That means that if Hobby Lobby wants to be a 501(c)(1)(a) church, they must give up profit-making and vice-versa.

    Isn't the real bottom line here that Hobby Lobby wants to be an illegal lobbyist?
     
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    Recovering Conservative Active Member Past Donor

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    Nobody is forcing Hobby Lobby to sell any such product.

    Like being free from what the Catholic Church dictates? I do!
     
  5. creation

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    lol. You don't have an answer to that so you whine. More proof that the argument is won on our side. The ruling will be changed eventually.
     
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    no it wont be overturned. why do left-wingers want answers to ridiculous premises?
     
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    so, where are those J. Witnesses that own strip clubs.....an insult is not an answer.
    The ruling stands as the Law of the Land...stop crying and get over it
     
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    great! then boycot them. dont buy their products; that always seems to work out so well for you guys lol!
     
  9. FoxHastings

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    Not long before Religious corporations like HobbySlobby declare that since they won one battle on religious grounds they now shouldn't have to pay any taxes since they are a Religious Institution, a "church"....... obviously they'll do anything to anyone to save a penny...
     
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    And the Goal posts are .... moved....
     
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    Yup, HobbySlobby WILL try to move the goal posts...why not? They have their filthy religious foot in the door and obviously will do anything to anyone to make a buck which is a very religious theme...
     
  12. Hoosier8

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    Haters will hate.
     
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    Yup, and religion is so good at hating women...denying them health care makes it obvious...
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The seething hatred for everything that is not liberal is something to watch.
     
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    women arent being denied healthcare

    libs are such liars; and drama queens

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    what religion is good at hating women?

    you make them sound like Ted Kennedy; who killed them; after he used them of course

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    i hope she keeps going; more people need to see the hatred ooozing out of the unhinged Left
     
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    Black Americans are the most church-going demographic in the USA. most of them vote Democrat. do Black Americans who go to church all have "filthy religious feet" and will they "do anything to anyone to make a buck"?
     
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    If a person, because of his personal values, refuses to buy people a drink, he is, in LibSpeak, forcing his religious views on them. For liberals, having to pay for your own drink is an intolerable problem in a world where everything should be free, free, free.
     
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    Silly names and flamebait leads me to believe you have no intention for respectful debate.

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    Morning after pill is not healthcare... If they need it that badly they can buy it themselves or by an obama improved plan ;)...
     
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    An ideology of atheists (leftwingers in general) have turned liberalism (with strong Marxist/Socialistic traits) into the equivalent of their core religion, and since most of them are real and true hardcore believers they wish to repress or outright destroy all heathens; i.e., any and all non-leftwingers. The amusing thing about their root core habits is that the majority of them are utterly oblivious of the endemic hypocrisy entwined in the way in which they practice their 'religion'. It's an awesome process to watch unfold.
     
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    I realize that there is strident faction embittered and alienated from America, but the ongoing erosion of individual rights in deference to the corporate overlords, especially when it inflicts the boardroom's religious taboos on average Americans, is anathema to most folks.

    The rightists on the Supreme Court have further secured the presidency for the Democratic Party in 2016.

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    As with equality in marriage law, comprehensive immigration reform, and universal background checks for gun purchases, the Angry White Guys are raging against an ineluctable tide.
     
  21. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean like the 'right' for government to make you buy a private product just for being born? I can do without the tyranny of 'liberal' rights.
     
  22. FoxHastings

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    And hate seems to be the first and top answer to anything religious folks don't agree with...it's always the FIRST thing they think of, their favorite word and emotion....they just keep screaming "hate" and they hope any opposition to their tyranny will go away...
     
  23. FreshAir

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    the whole idea of incorporated is that the company is no longer yours, it belongs to the shareholders, you can no longer sue the people that started the company, as it's now incorporated, if it goes bk, you can't take the people who started it it's money, the courts seem to have forgotten what incorporated means
     
  24. Hoosier8

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    Nope, just noticing the seething hatred from the left. The same people that want to split the country along racial, class, and gender divisions. It is no wonder they are in the democrat party, the party of historical racism.
     
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    this is a corporation, not religious folks....

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    yeah after someone is raped, they can run to a pharmacy... maybe be denied by some religious nut there too, and sadly end up needing an abortion all thanks to religious nuts

    women would be smart to pre-order them just in case

    http://smile.amazon.com/Plan-One-st...1404215460&sr=8-1&keywords=morning+after+pill

    "For use within 72 hours (3 days) after sex, but the sooner you take it, the better it works"

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