Holder vs. Racist Photo-ID Cards

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  1. PatrickT

    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    "Luckily, Attorney General Eric Holder is on it. As he declared in Columbia, S.C., last Martin Luther King Day, the Palmetto State “failed to meet its burden of proving that the voting change would not have a racially discriminatory effect.” Holder’s deputy, Assistant Attorney General Thomas E. Perez, blocked this provision on December 23, citing “the racial gap that presently exists among photo identification holders in the state.” Specifically, “8.4% of white registered voters lacked any form of DMV-issued ID, as compared to 10.0% of non-white registered voters.” This 1.6-percentage-point gap can mean only one thing: racism."
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/290704/holder-vs-racist-photo-id-cards-deroy-murdock

    A humorous and pointed article that I enjoyed. Racists probably won't enjoy the article.
     
  2. Johnny-C

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    We need a NATIONAL I.D. and it should be provided to every citizen of voting age.

    Requiring citizens to procure hard-to-get I.D.'s, considering the 'actual' magnitude of voter fraud... is essentially problematic.

    Based upon the real effects of the latest requirements... there is good reason to think/believe that it is discriminatory; imposing great DISADVANTAGE upon the poor, elderly, minorities and young college-age individuals.

    Holder and others who are paying attention to this Right-Wing assault on people's right to vote makes sense.
     
  3. PatrickT

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    Then the liberals should opt for the "easy to get" ID cards. I realize the developmentally disabled voters who support the liberals will need help but I suspect even conservatives would help them get IDs without cheating.

    Oh, and Johnny C. knows the "actual" magnitude of voter fraud. Well, he should. He's a liberal. The problem is that the liberals might know the actual magnitude but they lie and insist it doesn't exist.

    And, Johnny C., the actual difference by race in possession of your "hard to get" IDs is less than 2%. Clearly a massive racist conspiracy.
     
  4. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    No one is as stupid as you imagine. Get real... voter fraud is STATISTICALLY a non-problem.
     
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    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    PROVEN voter fraud is a non-problem.

    Unfortunately it is very hard to prove. Voter IDs would be a step toward making that fraud easier to see - or would improve confidence in our election system if no fraud was shown.
     
  6. PatrickT

    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    Statistically, playing the race card on this issue is a non-issue, Johnny, except liberals can always play the race card. But, it's fairly obvious why you reject this article out of hand. The author is black and you are obviously a liberal and therefore a racist. It's all about race, isn't it, Johnny?

    So, now that we know that the issue is irrelevant, will Johnny support voter IDs?
     
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    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow ... More Big Government! :spin:
     
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    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    how are ID's hard to get ?
     
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    hoytmonger New Member

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    "Eric Holder is an idiot" - Congressman Frank Wolf.
     
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    We already have two forms of national ID anyway. They're called a driver's license and a Social Security Card.
     
  11. hiimjered

    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Driver's license would work, but Social Security Cards don't have pictures, so it is difficult to prove that the person carrying it is actually the person on the card.
     
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    Don't you get it. Libs say they are only hard to get if you are a minority. Why? Because they judge minorities as lesser beings while the right does not take race or ethnicity into account, and of course the left calls the right racist because they don't hold minorities in such contempt.
     
  13. Johnny-C

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    YOU look it up. You cannot talk about these things here, unless you've learned something about it.

    Bottom line: Voter fraud is not a problem, and getting a photo ID isn't a straightforward process.

    NATIONAL I.D.... or let people vote as they always have.
     
  14. Johnny-C

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    Bottom line, voter fraud is NOT a significant problem in America.
     
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    Of course it isn't, even with a long history of it in our country (read some history), it surely isn't. Well, it isn't if you want to dismiss it out of hand.
     
  16. Johnny-C

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    Stop making things up.
     
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    You mean you have never heard of the dead voting in Chicago? Really?
     
  18. Johnny-C

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    The stats on voter fraud in America, prove that actions being pursued in many states today are essentially unwarranted.
     
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    Hard to get ID cards? What the hell are you talking about. It takes roughly 20 to 30 minutes at the Secretary of State.
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqMVxeZhflI"]Registering Tim Tebow and Tom Brady to Vote in Minnesota - YouTube[/ame]
     
  21. Johnny-C

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    Look it up.

    Voter fraud is no serious problem. (People don't need photo ID's.) And laws proposed/passed in many states clearly disadvantage the poor, minorities and elderly and college students. This is common knowledge.

     
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    How can we be sure it is not a problem when there is no way currently to ensure that the person voting is actually the person who registered and we have no way to keep people from registering in multiple districts under fake names?
     
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    The conviction rates related to the crime, is an accurate enough snapshot of what we are actually dealing with.

    If we JUMPED like that for OTHER 'possible' problems... we'd likely shut down most nuclear power plants next week.

    As far as voter fraud, we (Americans) have more to fear from HACKED voter machines than virtually anything else.
     
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    It is a crime that is insanely hard to convict. How do you propose that the authorities catch a person voting twice or voting as someone other than themselves?
     
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    I have yet to see proof of that at all. Why would it be so very difficult to prove? They check for the very thing you claim is NOT shown in present stats. We should not merely IMAGINE we have a problem, when we cannot prove it.

    And again, the degree to which the voting machines are "hackable" or possibly "manipulated"... should concern ALL AMERICANS greatly.

    I'm not a law enforcement expert (I'm military), but I know there are methods which can be (and are) employed, to catch people doing what they should not be doing. I have inspected billions of dollars worth of weapons systems in my lifetime, and I can assure anyone that if certain things are 'monitored'... deviations CAN be (and are) detected.

    I invite YOU or anyone else to PROVE that voter fraud (by individuals) is a significant problem in America. Please, don't "what-if" yourself into some hysterical frenzy.
     

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