Homelessness, Misery and Liberalism

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  1. Captain Obvious

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    The hellscapes of homelessness and misery of Portland, Los Angeles, Seattle and SanFrancisco serve as future microcosms of America’s future if we fall under the red flag of the Democratic/Socialist party. Decades long social tinkering, looting and lawlessness have created two classes. The extremely rich and the destitute and disturbed- all under exclusive Democratic/Socialist rule.
    If this is what the left has planned for us why do they run for office? Is it power they’re after because who are they helping? The very rich they proclaim to despise.
    Why would a party that hates this country so much want to run it so badly?
     
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    God complex...
     
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    Here's more:

     
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    They have no idea how reality works while wishing desperately to control it.
     
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    Misery follows liberalism. Coincidence?
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    That is what you have to look forward to. All the liberals moved to the West Coast and the conservatives couldn't keep up. Many of them drowned their sorrows in bad beer and ended up living in a tent along the railroad tracks.
     
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    No, all the foreigners from other countries moved to the West Coast, and conservatives couldn't keep up.

    Half the population under the age of 18 wouldn't even be there if it wasn't for illegal immigration over the last 35 years.

    You heard that right: HALF.
     
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    California was conservative, do try to get your history straight
     
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    Take a look at what's been happening in Paris.

    Paris is a shithole
    numerous pictures posted way down in the thread, and on the second and third pages
     
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    It was at one time, sort of, but not really. Don't forget that California has long had some of the most stringent environmental laws in the country, so obviously it has also been quite liberal.

    When Shwartsenagger was governor, the Republîcans over played their hand and created a lot of enemies, and run out of office. This resulted in California turning solidly blue.

    It is what they did in the South, and what many are doing vis a vis Trump. Over playing their hand. Now that the voter suppression has been outted, and steps being taken to counter the efforts, the tables may be turning. After all, as the polls have been showing from day one, most Americans do not like Trump and wish he was gone. His base makes up only 35% or so of the population.

    If the 2020 election is anything like the 2018 election, Trump will be gone in 2021, and good riddance.
     
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    I dont get your reply, I am talking the 1950's through 1980's.
     
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    NoCal was influenced by migration from the Northeast (New England). As a result, it’s always leaned a little left. SoCal was influenced by migration from the Midwest and it’s always leaned a little to the right.

    The state was reddish-purple until the 1980’s when it took a hard left turn. Before the 1980’s, California was the Golden State and could do no wrong. Since then, socialism has hollowed out the middle class, which moved out by the millions. California now leads the nation in poverty. A symbol of this change is the recent move of Toyota’s massive North American headquarters from Los Angeles to Plano, Texas (a suburb of Dallas).
     
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    The CURRENT homelessness and misery can be DIRECTLY to traced to GOP FISCAL MALFEASANCE for the BENEFIT of the Wall Street Casino Bosses and the Wealthy Elite.

    But don't let FACTUAL REALITY stand in the way of a rightwing DISINFORMATION rant!
     
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    I have relatives there and we sarted dring to California in the late 1960's by the early 1970's it was a polluted, overcrowded place with few jobs..
     
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    You answered your own question. They want power at any cost. They do not care about misery and homelessness. In fact they want more of it by encouraging foreigners to cross the border in mass. They hate only the other rich people, certainly not themselves. They hope to become rich the old fashioned way -- steal it.
     
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    You should look things up so you don’t keep posting false information. There are 21 states with a greater poverty rate than California, including Texas.

    In fact, when looking at poverty data, an interesting pattern emerges. There is greater poverty in the Southern half of the country. From California to the Carolinas, poverty rules. All the states with low poverty rates are in the North and, except for Utah, mostly blue states. The most poverty is in places like Mississippi, West Virginia, and Kentucky. Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell come from the state with the fifth highest poverty rate.
     
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    This is a result of the vast differential in wages. For example, a Google, Microsoft, or Amazon engineer might make 200K a year. These and other high-pay workers are displacing populations of people working at or near minimum wage.

    Take an average apartment at $2K a month. That is $24K a year. If minimum wage is $15 per hour - the highest in the country - that means a large percentage of the population is only making $30K a year or less, before taxes.

    Do the math and tell me again why there are so many working homeless. It is called the free market.
     
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    There's no doubt that many of the homeless have mental problems and could be better cared for if they were housed in a mental care facility but what many of you don't know and what many more seem to have forgotten is the great Ronnie Reagan is the one who let them all out and onto the streets. Is it a mess? Hell yes. Just be sure you put the blame where it belongs.
     
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    I guess it is true, denial is the mother of conspiracy theories.

    The cause of homelessness is mostly a housing shortage. Because of the so called business friendly policies of the US, beginning about the time of Reagan, construction of low end housing has all but stopped. A builder has a higher profit margin building high end homes than building starter homes.

    It is a result of the profit at all costs that has swept across the nation, that has left those on the bottom without recourse. From before the founding of the country, we have been housing the mentally ill. We have been providing housing and food for the poor.

    It is the inhumanity of greed that leads to a society that allows homelessness. In Portland, in times past, the downtown area had dozens of buildings were a single person could easily afford the rent working minimum wage. All of those buildings have been replaced with commercial buildings, to accommodate Portland’s booming economy. The situation made worse by the influx of new residence, due to the growing economy.

    Places like Ohio don’t have a homeless problem, because people keep moving away.

    The West Coast is different from the rest of the country. It is the land of dreams and opportunities. No one packs their bags to Oklahoma in hopes of fulfilling their dreams. They go to where the action is, the West Coast. Unfortunately it pushes out, those on the bottom, who have nowhere else to go.

    While the rest of the country has been having severe weather events, here in the Northwest things are different, mostly due to the Pacific Ocean. In the summer it doesn’t get too hot or dry, and in the winter, it never gets that cold, and except in the high country, doesn’t snow a lot. In the rest of the country, homeless people die freezing to death in winter. That doesn’t happen on the West Coast. Or at least to a much less degree.

    As bad as homelessness is on the West Coast, there is far more poverty in the South. Mississippi and Louisiana have almost twice the poverty rate.
     
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    Amazon is a good example. Those at the top, and those who develop the technology, do really well. But they are a small part of the company. Most employees are $15 an hour warehouse workers and delivery drivers. And the engineers are working on ways to eliminate as many of those as they can.

    Jeff Bezos became the richest man in America, by exploiting the labor of people who can barely afford their rent. Amazon is a great place to work for robotics engineers, but not so much for everyone else.

    Amazon is one of those companies who pushes their employees to work ever faster. They have production quotas that put a lot of stress on their employees which occasionally cause injuries. With Amazon workers getting hurt on the job at a rate that is more than twice the national average.
     
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    63% of all jobs created since 1990 were low wage and less than 40 hours per week jobs.They now represent 44% of all our workers.
     
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    Yes, that is exactly what the Democrats have.
     
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    When factoring in cost of living expenses, California leads the country in poverty at just over 20%. It is followed by New York and Florida.
     
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    Do you want to factor in costs of living into your equation? By that logic wouldn't a developing economy have less poverty than the U.S.?
     
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    Just an example ... Salaries may be 30% lower in Alabama than California. But if the cost of living is 50% lower in Alabama, the average person would be better off living in Alabama.
     
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