How America lost its moxie

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  1. Awryly

    Awryly New Member Past Donor

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    This is an incredibly balanced and well-written article from a source outside the US. Republicans will hate it.

    In brief, it says that Americans are having to face facts they never believed existed.
    :disbelief::disbelief:

    It's tough I know.

    But it's now about realities they have been, wrenchingly, forced to face.:cynic::cynic:
     
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    Laughing out loud about the 9/11 Commission being a non-partisan committee. They were definitely partisan as they all belonged to the establishment in DC. They were all political drones and therefore, very corrupt and very partisan.

    It was all about war-profiteering and a plan that was already in place to attack 7 nations in the middle east. Great liberal Obama is currently waging one in Libya with his UN partners, without the consent of Congress. The police state in America was also planned beforehand. The one-worlders will make it out to your neck of the woods one day, my friend. WTC 7...research it.

    This is a good point:
     
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    Awryly New Member Past Donor

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    Um. The "war" in Libya is over. Another dictatorship has fallen. Democracy is in view.

    This is in stark contrast with the $4 trillion America spent leveling the playing field for those who seek to become dictators in Afghanistan and Iraq.
     
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    Over..huh. You must get the same corporate news in New Zealand that we get in America and the UK. Democracy..not even close, the Libyan people did not want NATO involved in this. NATO sure bombed the Libyan people.


    Bank notes by Britian? Another country under the international banking scheme that is currently destroying America and Europe?
     
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    Awryly New Member Past Donor

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    I am sorry your corporate news is so abysmal.

    Free Libyans (the only ones who count now), asked for NATO help from the outset. And they are still asking.

    http://english.libya.tv/2011/08/29/ntc-asks-nato-to-keep-military-pressure/

    As for democracy, it starts with not having a dictatorship.

    Of course Americans see Islamist nuclear-armed ninjas in every shadow.

    But few share America's paranoia. Look where it has got us.
     
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    These bits of information were not news to all of us. America has not lost anything except, perhaps, some ignorance that we desperately needed to shed anyway.

    We remain unstoppable. But we're getting increasingly conscious of the consequences of our actions. We're working it out, and we'll figure out how to be smart about it.
     
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    Awryly New Member Past Donor

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    Unstoppable, huh?

    Your economy has tanked and the Chinese own a chunk of you. You are bogged down in unwinnable wars. Your political system is grid-locked. You are supporting a despised state in the ME that is becoming an isolated international pariah.

    Give me your definition of "stoppable".
     
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    "Rebels" were a small faction within Libya who were upset with Gaddafi for being too "liberal" for their fundamentalist taste. Libyans had the highest standard of living in Africa. We do not even have democracy in the western world, especially the EU and their appointed rulers, why would we care about Libya? You're falling for the same thing you accuse Americans of falling for.

    The Libyan people in Tripoli protesting NATO and supporting their dictator in July:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvfAuwGOtKg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvfAuwGOtKg[/ame]
     
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    Awryly New Member Past Donor

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    Clearly your "corporate news" is even more woeful than I could have imagined.

    Tripoli has been liberated. Libyans everywhere are rejoicing. A few hundred loyalist nutters are on the verge of elimination. People can speak and move freely.

    You must be thinking of Syria. Or Texas.
     
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    My corporate news has been cheering on the NATO bombing the entire time. If you think that is 100 people in the streets of Libya supporting Gaddafi, then check your glasses. That is at least a few hundred thousand people. Gaddafi was planning to go away from the dollar as the basis for oil exports and had one of the few remaining countries that was not tied to the global banking system.

    Too bad Gaddafi was also trained in Britain. It's another case of a dictator installed by westerners not following his orders.
     
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    Answer me a simple question.

    Why is Gaddafi on the run and half of his family dead?

    Because Libyans love him?
     
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    Because NATO bombed the homes of his family members and have been dropping bombs consistently all over their nation?

    But, back to your original post, I absolutely agree that 9/11 and the resulting "war on terror" is a major failure and has cost the American people a load of money and confidence.

    Conveniently, the original MSNBC article has been deleted within the past few months. That seems to keep on happening with anything painting their operations in a bad light.. I'm sure you can still find a youtube video with Clark saying this...until they shut the youtube down. It's obviously not turning out to be as easy and expedient as the neocons thought it would be. What I'm saying is that these people own our media and will hype up the candidates in both parties who are willing to fulfill their mandates. Thus, you get all of Obama's promises and then realize he lied about everything and we are still all over the Middle East.
     
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    Dem be bombs aimed at born and proven killers.

    Or do you think Gaddafi was a benevolent dictator?
     
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    I'm saying that it is none of my business what the British puppet does and that we are bankrupt. Are you arguing for or against America and NATO policing the world? I thought your original intention was to argue against this method, but it seems you've changed your tune.
     
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    The thread was actually about how America has lost its moxie. You chose to introduce a red herring.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Bush has been out of office for a while now. We have a new battle to fight in America, but I guess you prefer just bashing Americans with any chance you get.

    Obama was anti-war, anti-crony, anti-corrupt through rhetoric. Too bad he has Bush genes....wranglers
    :)
     
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    Unstoppable: Cannot be stopped.
    Stoppable: Able to be stopped.

    Not always a good thing, mind you. Did you see that movie about the train?
     
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    the OP is very true.

    We are all trembling in fear that we will be invaded by kiwis
     
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    Awryly New Member Past Donor

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    Indeed. As well you should. We are breeding a type of kiwi that can fly long distances.

    This isn't it.

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    Awryly New Member Past Donor

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    Bush, Cheney, Rove and the rest left a legacy that has corroded the American political, social and economic fabric.

    One does not cure cancer with a single aspirin.
     
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    I think you may be surprised. I predict in another several months people will begin waking up to the new reality of new puppets in power serving special interests, and no more free oil, education or health care as under Gadhaffi. maybe I am wrong, but would not be surprised if I'm right.
     
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    I said "democracy is in sight", not a given.

    The military still controls Egypt, military leaders in Libya are demanding a greater role in government. Dunno about Tunisia. Or the US.
     

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