How could you kill your own baby ?

Well, this simply means that some pro-choice women are into goddess worship spirituality. They worship women, and abortions to them is just another way of practicing woman worship.

 

Christians believe they are receiving the blood of Christ and the body of Christ during communion. Vampirism and cannibalism. How is that any better?

 

That's very off-topic for this thread. All that matters is that some pro-choice women are actually into woman worship in general-as evident by their new age goddess worship spirituality. What does Christianity have anything to do with this discussion, at all?

 

You introduced religion to the thread and now you're asking me why I'm commenting on religion?

 

It's really not about religion. Religion is just an example of the woman-worshiping attitudes of these pro choicers.

 

Whether or not people "worship women" is not something you can even measure. You have to stop thinking that someone who respects a woman's self determination is some kind of eccentric or crazy person. Believe it or not, people who disagree with you are not lunatics because they don't share your opinions.

 

When it all comes down to the reality....the facts remain that it is legal for a woman to get an abortion and although I personally abhor the thought of aborting a healthy viable fetus when there is no health issues for either the mother or child...I can see how such abortions are necessary.

Due to the entire EXTREMIST INTERFERENCE of a matter that is private in it's nature...a young 14 year old girl who was raped or the victim of incest or perhaps just did not use contraception and became pregnant...and due to the thought of being assigned the stigma associated with being a Slut or a Whore as well as her fear of the possibility of Parents, Relatives, Church and Extremist Pro-Life Advocates assigning a stigma specific to being a BABY KILLER due to her need and desire to abort the pregnancy...such a frightened 14 year old young and inexperienced girl would tend to HIDE HER PREGNANCY thus having the options to either abort the fetus at this now later period in the pregnancy as she being to ashamed and frightened at what her religious parents and relatives might think of her as well the thought of having to get parental permission to get an abortion...IS THE PRECISE REASONS SUCH PREGNANCIES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN EITHER PREVENTED THE NEXT MORNING BY GETTING PLAN B OR MORNING AFTER OR COULD HAVE BEEN ABORTED WITHIN THE FIRST FEW WEEKS......instead are left to grow and develop.

The Extremist Pro-Life Agenda does not take into account such stigma related later or late term abortions.

As well...the Extremist Pro-Choice Agenda does not tend to acknowledge the proper value of a late in development fetus whether it be sentient or not.

This is not true of all Pro-Life or Pro-Choice advocates as such positions are taken by the EXTREMISTS upon both parties.

Of the SILENT MAJORITY exist the MODERATE GROUP....of which I am a member. We exist as the largest human numerical entity and the reasons why some extremists upon both sides might say that our group either does not exist or they might believe we are not so great in number is that our group believes that abortion should be legal but as well some aspects and conditions specific to late term abortions...etc...should be regulated...is they think we are little in number because they never hear us protesting or advocating our position.

Well...OF COURSE THEY WOULD NOT SEE US DOING THIS...why would we when the great majority of what we believe is ALREADY A LAW! LOL!

So both extreme sides of the issue can fight it out all they want.

The VAST SILENT MAJORITY OF MODERATES SUCH A I WILL CRACK A BEER...OPEN A BAG OF DORITOS...AND WATCH THE FIGHT! LOL!

AboveAlpha

 

A woman's self determination doesn't give her the right to kill her own child.

Your statements shows that you worship women, because you get so offended whenever I question the morality of abortions. It's almost as if abortions are sacred rituals to you, which should not be spoken badly of. Just as Anders Hoveland has stated, some pro-choice women are into new age goddess worship spirituality.

 

You think the gender of the person getting the abortion matters to me. It doesn't. Women just happen to be the gender that gets pregnant. If it were men, would you accuse me of worshiping men because I'd feel they'd have just as much right to determine the course of their bodies as women do now? If someday science makes it feasible for men to get pregnant, then I will be pro-choice for both genders.

You also seem to think that I actually like abortions. Wrong again. I am indifferent. I'd prefer a world where they aren't necessary, just like I'd prefer a world that didn't need nuclear weapons, bombs, electric chairs, health insurance, and prisons. But, I don't get to set the terms for the world I live in. I also don't get to decide for other people what is important in their lives, especially when we're talking about personal decisions that only involves their own bodies. So if it makes you feel better to pretend that I like abortions and consider it a "sacred ritual", you go right ahead if that makes this debate easier for you to handle. Myself, I prefer not to create alternate realities in some silly attempt to set the terms of a debate, but that's just me.

 

You worship women because you believe that they have the "goddess"-like rights to decide whether or not their own child lives or dies.

 

For all intents and purposes, everyone is a "god" of their own body. Everyone.

 

It's good you guys are using protection. If hope that if protection ever fails that you will have a change of heart. You never know who that little human will become. Maybe someone great? Maybe a serial killer. But hey, you have to look on the bright side.

 

It's best to look on the practical side. It's a lead pipe cinch "that little human will become" a drain on the pregnant woman's body and a risk to health and will leave her with damage to her body which will last the rest of her life. It's a cinch "that little human will become" a financial drain on her resources which she may not be able to overcome. It's the woman's choice since she is one who will have to deal with it, and she doesn't need any Pollyanna "you have to look on the bright side" propaganda to sway her into a choice that may not be best for her.

 

If you really feel that way, you should get your tubes tied as soon as possible.

 

Q: How could you kill your own baby?

A: With an abortion.

 

And have no brain, yeah some baby ya got there.

 

Very selfish to believe pregnancy only effects a woman. While a Pollyanna attitude may not be appreciated - a "woe is me" one by the woman isn't either.

 

I agree pregnancy effects all parties involved but it is only the decision making of the one PREGNANT that matters.

I don't understand why we all have to keep going around and around upon this subject?

A few things we can be certain of....Abortion will ALWAYS remain LEGAL.

Every attempt to lower the number of abortions should be carried out as long within the limits of the law and as long as it does not interfere with the Health of the Mother or attempt to ban abortions in the case a Fetus has been determined by a Doctor to be unviable.

As well...every effort should be made to educate both women and men on methods of contraception, abstinence, Morning After and Plan B use...as well as educate both men and women upon aspects of the Developing Fetus and at what stage in development a Fetus will have Human Form, Ability to react directly to specific levels of stimulus...and the big one....that at the beginning of the 3rd trimester a Fetus will obtain the BEGINNINGS OF SENTIENCE.

If young men and women understood more and were educated to a greater degree then such things as Late Term Abortions...as few as they are...would no longer occur as such abortions would take place early in development preferable avoided completely with use of Plan B or Morning After.

Pro-Choice...you have to acknowledge the VALUE of a POTENTIAL HUMAN LIFE...as well as acknowledge this VALUE GROWS LARGER WITH EVERY PASSING DAY OF DEVELOPMENT.

Pro-Life...you have to acknowledge that ABORTIONS WILL ALWAYS BE NECESSARY when the Mothers life is at risk or the Fetus will not be viable. Abortion WILL NEVER BE MADE ILLEGAL...so it is time for you to concentrate your efforts upon reasonable legislation such as passing a law that will not allow abortion at the beginning of the 3rd Trimester when neither the Mother or Fetus' life or health is at risk.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE OR JUSTIFIABLE REASON that an abortion was not done prior to that time given these conditions and in this case an abortion should not be allowed.

AboveAlpha

 

The woman is the ONLY one affected physically by a pregnancy. A pregnancy does not REQUIRE that the potential father be affected financially. The women is the one primarily affected emotionally, as the potential father cannot be affected if he does not know about the pregnancy. Soooo.....I'm gonna stick to my claim that it's the woman's decision only.

 

But yet you can never prove that the fetus is not a person.

 

What does that have to do with the question of whom is affected by pregnancy? Hmm? I don't have to prove the fetus is NOT a person since neither you nor anyone else has proved that it IS.

 

Your main premise is that the personhood status of the fetus doesn't really matter in whether or not abortions should be legal, and yet you contradict yourself sometimes.

 

Do you mean that because I sometimes discuss the personhood status of a zef, I am therefore contradicting my belief that it doesn't matter? It doesn't. I can hold both theories at the same time. Personhood doesn't matter, but the zef isn't a person anyway. Now do you want to go back to the discussion of whom is affected by pregnancy, or do you want to continue to derail any discussion? Please note that it is immaterial to me since I can discuss ANY notion related to abortion, but I am also fully aware that questions you can't answer cause you to veer off the subject.

 

Pro-choicers have made it pretty clear in this thread that they not only support the woman's right to choose, but also the abortion itself. They praise abortion as a solution to whatever problems the woman may be facing.

This is one of the reasons why I don't really think "pro-choice" is the best name to describe their position.

 

Pro-abortion, or abortion loving, is the best name to describe their position.