How could you kill your own baby ?

You say that you would not kill your own baby but you will fight for the right of other women to make that decision for themselves.

But how could any woman in her right mind choose to KILL her own 19 week old perfectly normal healthy unborn baby?!
No, the truth is these women are not in their right mind, and as such this life or death decision should not be left up to them.
Maybe the woman is being pressured or threatened by a family member or boyfriend, maybe the woman is acting out of frantic desperation. Either way, should the decision really be left up to them under these circumstances? At the very least, these women should have to go through some sort of counseling and psychological evaluation before they are given the choice to terminate their baby.

I am not talking about embryos here, I am talking about unborn babies. Babies who are kicking and sucking their thumb.

 

Who said that?

If I get pregnant now in my life I already know I would have an abortion. I already discussed it with my fiance and we both know we're not ready for kids and decided the best choice for us right now is if any of our protection fails we will get an abortion. Fortunately that has yet to happen.

There are a lot of reasons why. Perhaps you'd like to read some of the stories behind why these women choose abortion? http://www.imnotsorry.net/

I have a strong inkling that you really don't care though and instead are more interested in speculating on their state of mind at the time.

And here we go...

What evidence do you have that women who choose abortion are not in the right state of mind to determine whether or not to continue their pregnancies?

If she is being threatened by a family member or boyfriend I would counsel her to contact the police. Cases where a pregnant woman is being threatened are taken very seriously. If it's out of desperation then all I can say is she should think on it and make the best choice for herself.

Of course. It is her body and her own health we are talking about here. She doesn't suddenly lose all medical authority over her own body just because she is pregnant.

I actually agree with this. I think that counseling before an abortion is a good thing because it will help a woman to decide if it really is the right decision for her. I also would hope that the counselor would give her other options such as financial aid for giving birth to and raising the child (medical expenses and child care expenses start to add up after a while). So yes, absolutely. Counseling is a fantastic idea particularly for women who feel forced into an abortion due to their circumstances.

 

Ya .. it would take a rather psychologically deranged person to have an abortion that late in term (IMO).. for no other reason than a lack of desire to have a baby.

These cases are extremely rare however so they really do not factor much into the debate.

 

How rare exactly are they? It was my understanding that there are at least 18000 of them every year in America, and that is just what we know about. I shudder to think how many of these abortions go on behind closed doors in abortion clinics, as these abortion doctors often have very different ideas about when an appopriate time is for abortion. Once every now and then, a horror story surfaces about a clinic that has routinely been doing elective late-term abortions, and investigators find severed heads of babies, well along into their course of development, in plastic buckets.

 

18,000 Later term abortions a year ? Wow .. that is quite a high number. Do you have a reference for this .. it seems a bit hard to believe.

I realize that the raging masses are generally stupid .. but they are not generally "that" stupid such as to wait 5-6 months prior to having an abortion.

 

with over 1.2 million abortions a year, i would say that 18,000 would probably be low. since on here it says that 1.4%-5.6% (depends on what you define as late term) of abortions were late term here in the USA in 2003

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_termination_of_pregnancy

 

No, I didn't just say "late term abortions". Many late term abortions are done on retarded babies. I have made it clear I support euthenasia and mercy killings. We are not talking about those here. I am talking about abortions on perfectly normal healthy babies here, performed for no other reason than the convenience of the woman.

http://savingviableinfants.com/2011/03/12/late-term-abortion-numbers-in-america/

 

That is a really bad article. No mention of the source or how the data was collected.

That said .. I do not doubt that there are later term abortions performed on normal fetuses. I disagree with this practice but unfortunately the focus of lifers is so out of touch with reality that it makes it difficult for society at large to focus on this tragic practice.

If lifers would stop targeting "all abortion" .. start making sense .. and start targeting legitimate issues such as late term abortions the support for thier cause would rise.

As it sits .. Lifers claim there is no difference between a single cell at conception and fetus at 30 weeks.

How can any rational person makes sense of such stupidity and take anything said by folks who engage in stupidity seriously ?

 

Some women are pressured into an abortion and that is the saddest thing imaginable. It shouldn't happen. But just because I personally wouldn't have an abortion doesn't mean I want to deny other women that choice.

 

some people, like Thomas Jefferson for example, believed that Liberty > Life. It's not that life isn't important, but that if you have to choose, Defending liberty is more important than saving a few lives.

 

Of course. Now the argument is that a woman who would choose abortion is mentally unstable. What's next? Demonic possession? Mind control? Aliens? Satan?

 

A society that does not value life will use all kinds of twisted logic to justify killing. And make no mistake, the more enamored we become with our problems and the more we turn them into an identity to be proud of, the less we will value life and the more we will bull(*)(*)(*)(*) ourselves into accepting all kinds of atrocities.

 

A society that values life will value the life of a woman and honor her choices, rather than forcing her to use her body against her will.

 

Yep cause we throw around capital punishment and wars like its happy fun time

 

Okay, I get it, choicers just love abortion.
So tell me, why is it that women choose to have the abortion on their babies, but never themselves? If they like abortion so much, why is the abortion always on the baby?
If it's not selfishness, what is it ??

If the woman can't really afford the baby, maybe she can't really afford herself either.

 

People are allowed to be selfish. You can't ask somebody to risk injury to themselves just like you can't force people to give up one of their kidneys (they only need one) to somebody else. Or accuse somebody of murder for not running into a burning building to save another person. It doesn't work that way. Is abortion wrong, sure... but they aren't guilty of any crime for doing so. And to try to make up a law making it illegal is a gross violation of personal liberty.

I mean the guy who goes nuts over the liberty violations of restricting lightbulb usage wants to put greater liberty restrictions on a person's right to themselves?

 

theyres a difference between not running into a building to save someone, compared to say suffocating a weak person by putting a pillow over their head.. abortion would be equivalent to putting a pillow over a weak persons head.

 

Choicers don't "love" abortion, just the ability to control the timing and size of their families.

How does a woman abort herself? If a pregnant woman kills herself, how do you think that will save the fetus?

 

Well, your quote above pretty much means you've run out of steam here. Time to fall back and regroup!

 

They seem to forget the fetus is only alive because of the mother.

 

or rather because of the mother's decision to engage in sexual intercourse, and her neglect to use appropriate preventative measures
(in the vast majority of cases)

At least she wouldn't be able to bring more human lives into this world again, only to abort them... over and over again... which is exactly what happens in many cases

 

And your point is?

 

Yeah, that really not an argumet.

Tapeworms are cause by eating bad meat and are preventable.

I wouldnt tell you, you have to keep them in your body.

 

Comparing the unborn to parasites? Isn't that what nazi propaganda did to the jews? The more I hear pro-choicer arguments, the more stricking it is how similar they are to the justifications used to support genocide and slavery.

The fetus is NOT just some parasite, no matter how much many choicers imagine things to be. The fetus is a human being, the woman's child. This is what the womb is meant for, this is the womb's intended function.