How do we prevent these mass shootings?

Yes a gun absolutely just lays around. A human being must pick it up in order to use it. If a gun is not in a person's hand it is absolutely worthless. An individual must pick it up, point it at someone, and pull the trigger. Other than that a gun just kicks it.

 

Mine are sentient and always getting into trouble.

 

Of course you want to keep them out of the hands of a high risk individual. Who would disagree with that? What a obvious conclusion you have made. How to you plan to spot these high risk individual's. What place in the United States has the most gun law's, but yet the highest criminal activity with a gun.

Do background checks all you want, the result will be the same. Gun death's will stay the same, only now you have people's names on a list, that owns a gun. This would be perfect for a tyrannical government. Do you believe it will actually work, or are you just saying this because a member of your political ideology wants to do this.

People have become insanely easily deceived. It is AMAZING!!!

The weapon in which gave you the opportunity to discuss such matters, is the weapon you would have abandoned.

Tell me who said this? "Keep your sword". And what is the modern day sword?

And as for children of fatal accident's: Indeed this is very sad, and anyone who has to go through losing a loved one, no matter how they lost them, has my thoughts and prayers. However this is something you can not use, there are far more fatal accident's involving children with vehicles. It is sad to say, but an accident is an accident, hints the word accident.

 

Correct. The black market for guns would grow even higher making America more dangerous. Because the only reason black market guns would be bought...be for a bad reason. Won't see honest hunters going to the black market to buy a piece. It'll be a Homie in West Side trying to bust a cap in his Obamaphone-carrying Blood-rival's behind.

 

No one ordered me to "Keep my sword," but Isaiah 2:4 says "And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares."

In any event, the modern day sword is the sword.

Would making Dylann Roof wait for more than three days while his ineligibility to purchase a firearm with his birthday money to shoot nine people to death was being established have saved their lives?

No one can know, but such a delay would have let them live longer and, just maybe, deter him from his murderous intent.

That is why the overwhelming majority of Americans, Republicans and Democrats alike, gun owners included, support closing such loopholes in universal background checks.

If that upsets you, that is unfortunate.


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Of course, there are "smart guns", but they give some avid gun fanciers a distinct inferiority complex.

 

King James Bible
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

 

It takes a lot to upset me. This doesn't have a chance.

Hypothetical: If gun owners names are on a list, who has access to the list? Is it available to the public?

 

So, sell your garment and buy yourself a sword, but don't attack the vast majority of Americans for trying to pass sensible measures to impede homicidal maniacs and criminals from easily accessing the firearms they use to kill people.

 

A bunch of nervous nellies need not succumb to the the vapours because they are fretting that their names are on some "list" - unless it is the record of their being mentally unstable and given to homicidal tendencies. In which case they will be denied the right to purchase a firearm.

Those are the potential killers that universal background checks are designed to detect before they are provided with their killing implements.

 

If this is the case I simply stand corrected and would agree to such a policy. Because if our names do go on a list, it only helps the criminals and the tyrants. However it is still hard to believe such a policy would not gather an individuals name at some point or another.

To become hateful and antagonize people, is not a good way to spread your message.

 

I apologize for my belligerence. I still don't think this is going to stop anybody from doing ill will. However where I don't see any harm or consequence for such a policy, might as well try something.

 

We agree. I don't expect that it will prevent every homicidal maniac, criminal, or suicide risk from accessing firearms, but it's a minor inconvenience for some to bear if it saves some folks from these all-too-frequent tragedies.

Cheers.

 

For all those gun owners out there that wonder why UBC's are a bad idea, have a look at what happened to our friends in Canada. It's long, but worth watching for a dose of reality.

This is what happens with UBC and the required gun registry necessary to implement it.

[video=youtube;XEQiCDYowi4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEQiCDYowi4[/video]

 

The majority of recent mass murderers have all passed the mandated background checks required in acquiring their firearms. Either they were not disqualified from ownership in any legal manner, or the records available to the FBI were grossly incomplete due to a mismanaged system. Whatever the reason, the minor inconvenience proved insufficient in stopping them.

Therefore you have nothing to bring to the discussion, except claiming that the united states needs to continue doing exactly what it is doing now, in hopes that a change for the better will occur.

 

Agreed, people kill people not guns.

IF we had lawful government.

IF we had courts that would recognize, follow and uphold laws.

IF we had media that did not collude with unlawful corrupt government and it's courts.

THEN we would have effective mental health care and people would KNOW about it.

IF they know about it, THEN they at least have an option for dealing with murderous rage. Chances are, people that act on such rage have known for years that they could kill when motivated by that rage.

Accordingly, many would choose to get effective treatment to end the torment seething inside of them about numerous issues.

Nothing wrong with your education, you suffer from a lack of good, available information. The entire public does.

I have a unique education in these matters and a few others that have relationships intrinsically, all of which will be a gray area in the common knowledge base. Government and media do not want people to know.

This is the result of my giving a copy of a 2006 federal lawsuit against my county to a reporter. Two weeks afterwards she was fired or resigned. Sixteen other reporters and editors followed her. They were all gagged by the court at the newspaper owners demand.


http://algoxy.com/law/no_free_press/sbsecretsofmedia.html

The web site has scans of trial court and appellate court pleadings which document the secret removal of a 1885 court rule that provides a new magistrate and judge to a pro se civil rights case, filed, dismissed, then refiled with new coplaintiffs. Three grandmothers filed with me to try and get help for their alcoholic, drug addicted kids and grand kids. Three of them dead so far.

 

Not that I completely disagree with you, but it DOES require more time and effort to kill someone with a bat than it does with a gun.

I mean you gotta run up to them, hope they don't hear you coming and turn around to defend themselves. Etc.

 

You can scoff at innocent Americans being shot to death in the name of 2nd amendment absolutism if that comports with your radical ideological agenda, but even Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia cites the irrefutable fact that firearms can be regulated. No constitutional right is absolute; all are circumscribed by the rights of others

Even the NRA cannot thwart the will of the People when it is so overwhelming.

 

Then, there is the truth that explains the vast majority of Americans and National Association of Police Chiefs support for closing the loopholes:

Had Dylann Roof not had the three-day loophole expire, he would not have been able to use his birthday money to buy the gun he used to shoot nine people to death.

Yes, records must be far better maintained and accessed expeditiously.

The National Association of police Chiefs and the vast majority of Americans agree.

 

That depends, are they sleeping? You know how quick you can slit somebody's throat?

 

Let apply examination of rights equally.

We can likely agree the right to bear arms has an ultimate purpose.

What about the ultimate purpose of free speech?

Will you try negate that it has one?

Currently, the compromise to the ultimate purpose of free speech which has occurred by interference of loyalist entities at the creation of the bill of rights with the 1st amendment as applied to the 2nd amendment; is equivalent to your bullet only having enough powder behind it to get stuck in the barrel.

If my right to free speech had its purpose intact by virtue of the delivery of justice (providing economic power to use it) I would have stopped 90% of the mass murders that occurred in the last 17 years with the creation of effective mental health care and perhaps protected the lives of a million or so innocent foreigners of sovereign nations attacked unjustly by our infiltrated government.

ADMISSION TO "FAILURE TO APPEAR ON SUBPOENA".

 

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares, will do the plowing for whose who did not."