How do we prevent these mass shootings?

I would negotiate neither. Just as the classic example of shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theatre when there is no fire is a reasonable restriction of free speech, so are universal background checks to prevent homicidal maniacs easily accessing firearms to gun down innocent Americans.

All rights delineated in the Constitution are circumscribed to the rights of others. None is absolute.

 

If someone is sleeping, the weapon used to kill them really doesn't matter, now does it.

I have lived over 30 years, and have never been mugged. But then again, I take precautions that DON'T involve owning a gun.

I keep an eye on things around me when I am out in public.

I don't flaunt any nice possessions I have.

I keep away from bad neighborhoods and stay in the light whenever possible.

Ultimately, the people that want to regulate guns, IMO, are not trying to stop all murders, they are just trying to make it harder and more time consuming for the people that would kill anyway, to reduce the number of injuries and deaths.

 

We won't likely "prevent" (eliminate) mass shootings, unless technology provides such an awesome solution. But we CAN and SHOULD mitigate the frequency and effects of the same... by applying many solutions that have already been suggested by many.

And there will be no single magic solution; the answers applied must and will likely be multifaceted. Those will come, it is primarily a matter of time.

 

You think gun owners want people to die. Wow your pretty smart.

 

That happened when ALL states passed CCW laws allowing the good people to carry guns to shoot the bad people when they commit heinous crimes.

 

There is a simple way to prevent these mass shootings. Follow the money. Political organizations and people against guns are paying people to kill, under the notion that they won't get caught and will receive substantial payment.

Some of them are nothing but a hoax.

http://www.hoaxorfact.com/Crime/san...government-sponsored-hoax-facts-analysis.html

 

The really good news is that a LOT more can be done going forward.

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Wow!!! In this 'nation' of gun-nuttery... your logic and reasonableness are impeccable!!! Thank you for that!!

 

Do you really want to stop the mass shooting's or are you just saying that. Because the teaching of the following in our school's will go a long way in preventing them.

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

 

I'm all for taking personal responsibility for myself. As for Australia being so safe after the 1996 gun ban, your own government refutes that:

http://aic.gov.au/publications/current series/facts/1-20/2013/1_recorded.html

You will notice that from 1996 - 2007 homicides indeed went down...However, violent crimes escalated from 1996 to 2007...Assault, sexual assault, robbery and kidnappings all went up significantly. So what started the current decline? In 2006 Australia decided to add 20,000 police officers...Which after recruitment and training finally started to take effect in 2008. So the presence of an additional 20,000 armed police officers started the decline in crime...Wow, go figure...More guns in the hands of law abiding police officers deter crime. See in the US, I don't believe I am any better or worse than those police officers...And I'd rather be in charge of my own protection.

 

Gee crime statistics go up and down

Who da thought it!!

Now I am not sure where you got the 20,000 new police officers but I can tell you it is a furphy and that someone is (*)(*)(*)(*)ting you

There is NOTHING in the link about recruitment of more police instead I found this

OOOPS!! Seems our stats might be a little suspect

Now let us examine your claim about crime - in particular kidnappings rising



Where is the kidnapping? Ooops! there at the bottom - the line you can barely see - the one that has not risen

Now back to these police officers

Our police forces are mostly state based - the Federal police have a different remit

So - which group added all those police - was it a collective decision by the states? Was it a government decision to ramp up the federal police to deal with potential terrorism?

Certainly there is nothing in your link to support your statements

 

No, I think that people that want to kill others want to do so in the manner that requires the LEAST amount of effort on their part, is the quickest method available to them, and has the most chance if success.

I think it is much easier and faster to kill someone with a gun than a bat or a knife, and a gun has a much better chance to succeed.

Do you think I am wrong? Why?

 

Strawman fallacy

 

Seems you misunderstand. The word I used is NEGATE, not negotiate.

I'm talking about the ULTIMATE purpose of a gun firstly. Then secondly, the ULTIMATE purpose of free speech.

You mention an abuse of it.

Logically, rights that preserve, protect and enforce the constitution ARE absolute, or it will not have continuity. It will end.

 

What do you fancy are your ultimate purposes?

 

Eliminate all the Liberals. Damn, you outed us!!

 

And yet, in Australia, almost the exact same number of people have died in mass killings in the same periods of time before and after Port Arthur.

 

Open carry firearms for all college students anywhere on campus with the understanding that the "Good" gunslingers must wear white Cowboy Hats, so the police will be able to distinguish the good shooters from bad shooters, when the inevitable drunk student carrying a gun starts shooting at another drunk student with gun.

 

Sounds exactly like the "blood running in the streets" argument the liberals had when "shall issue" carry laws were implemented. Never happened did it? In fact, someone with a CCW is less likely to shoot someone than a cop or the average citizen without a CCW.

I ask the same question I always ask.

What's stopping people from coming in campus now and shooting the place up? That's right. NOTHING.

If people wanted to bring guns on campus right now and have a shoot out, they could do so, your little "gun free zone" and "no gun" policies notwithstanding.

 

If they let the Florida State Circus University dopeheads and the Florida A&M Gangsta Rap students start openly carrying guns, there will be immediate chaos like never before. They will have to post Police every 100 ft to keep these idiots from pointing their guns at each other in their normal routine of being drunk, beligerent, obnoxious, arrogant, self absorbed, argumentative, punks.
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The Tallahassee Police Dept., the Florida State Police Dept, the Highway Patrol, ALL AGREE, Openly carried guns is a bad idea on College Campus. Its just asking for trouble to let persons who are untrained suddenly have to become vigilantes. Therefore OPEN CARRY is ABSURD.

CONCEAL CARRY, on the other hand might be allowed IF the persons with the carry license actually have to complete an extensive course in how and when to use lethal force, just like the Police Depts.do. and they should have to go to a police shooting range to practice to know what target to shoot and what target not to shoot at.

 

How does openly carrying a gun make you more likely to start popping off rounds than concealed carry?

I don't know all of the regulations for all states regarding concealed carry, but many of those college students probably already have CCW's, and many of them probably carry concealed despite gun free zone regulations.

Like I said, there's NOTHING stopping dopeheads, gangsters, or drunks from bringing guns on the campus RIGHT NOW.

Anyone who owns a gun should have that training, not just someone who decides to get a CCW.

 

It is not a loophole if it is a standard codified into law. The law cannot deny the sale of a firearm until completion of a background check, while simultaneously allowing for those in charge of the background check system to delay the check indefinitely for the purpose of denying the sale. Rights recognized as constitutional cannot be delayed by weeks, months, or years through bureaucratic decree by some unelected official who remains unaccountable for their actions.

A private citizen should not have to face penalization for those in charge being incompetent in their jobs.

And until such time that records can be guaranteed as accurate, there is no point in attempting to mandate background checks for private sales, as they will continue to prove useless.

Your proposal is no different than a physician continuing to prescribe a particular type of antibiotics long after the disease has developed immunity to them.

 

Take away Psychiatrist's ability to prescribe psychotropic drugs with out a a second MD's signing off and watch the instances drop.

 

Mass shootings in America are a rarity. You see, the news only reports "rare" events. Consider the example of a shark attack. The probability of being in a shark attack are about 1 in 11.5 million. Since there are so few shark attacks all of them are reported. If the few number of shark attacks all happen in a small time interval the majority of the viewers will commit the fallacy that shark attacks are much more probable than 1 in 11.5 million. You see, the mass media provides the juiciest highlights of the most improbable events in society -- and so our perception of reality is statistically skewed. Intriguingly, it appears to be skewed in the direction of the world that always exists on the brink of collapse. Yet, in reality we live in a world that gets better every day at an accelerating rate. Fascinating isn't it?

 

and elsewhere in the developed world shootings not mass shootings are the rare event